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  • Brodie Van Wagenen Watch

    Figure it's worthy of its own thread.

    I would think one of the first things to take place when Cohen starts financing is change who handles his money. I could be wrong. Hope not, tho.

    If I had to guess, he may hold on to VW for a season, but, considering he's a Wilpon hiring with a penchant for acquiring former clients, I'd think even that's a stretch.

    I'm always interested to know more.
    Put it in the books.

  • #2
    Given how neutered this guy is when it comes to any kind of a budget, I don't know if I can really fault him for this year. Last year's signings and the big trade were, for the most part, a total disaster but again, how much of that was him and how much of that was Jeff Wilpon?

    I know he was all in on Betances until Jeff Wilpon shut that down and Jeff Wilpon is the one who let Wheeler walk and sign within the division.

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    • #3
      I have to believe that BVW is gone after the 2020 season. This assumes the ink is dry over the next 3-4 months and MLB approves the deal by next fall.

      According to what I have read Cohen is an analytical guy. BVW is a yes guy. If Cohen or any other owner is truly interested in winning a yes guy is not the answer. He will find a more analytical GM, and I am betting that Cohen is making his GM list right now. BVW has kept his seat warm at CAA by signing their clients.

      The Mets already turned down Chaim Bloom twice. He is one of the best in the business but yet the Mets didnt want him. I wont go into why - we all know why.


      If you want to get the fan base over the moon about the 2021 season get a new owner who immediately changes GM's and gets rid of the Wilpon stench. Then beef up the analytical department, and have the baseball people run the baseball operations.


      Assuming the above happens then I believe Beltran gets 2021 and anything after that is dependent on the on field success. Like any other situation the GM will get a crack at his own manager, but if Beltran is working out and there is no need to change they wont. At least for one year.



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      • #4
        What's the point of bothering to watch Brody? Watching a vendor at the stadium makes more sense. If you're hungry, at least you can order a sausage. Brody offers nothing. Neither make significant personnel decisions.

        If Fred had wanted a real GM, he would have picked one. I'd rather not dignify the current charade by recognizing Fred and Jeff's human shield as an authentic baseball executive.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mongoose View Post
          What's the point of bothering to watch Brody? Watching a vendor at the stadium makes more sense. If you're hungry, at least you can order a sausage. Brody offers nothing. Neither make significant personnel decisions.

          If Fred had wanted a real GM, he would have picked one. I'd rather not dignify the current charade by recognizing Fred and Jeff's human shield as an authentic baseball executive.
          Hence the immediate releasing under new ownership

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mongoose View Post
            What's the point of bothering to watch Brody? Watching a vendor at the stadium makes more sense. If you're hungry, at least you can order a sausage. Brody offers nothing. Neither make significant personnel decisions.

            If Fred had wanted a real GM, he would have picked one. I'd rather not dignify the current charade by recognizing Fred and Jeff's human shield as an authentic baseball executive.
            But he does have an authentic job that I'm looking forward to seein' him lose.

            I think at this point it's almost a foregone conclusion that VW is just an inside connection for JefFred, and that the two-headed monster imposes the ultimate word when it comes to roster moves. Plus, he's definitely viewed by most as their crony.

            It wouldn't surprise me if, as Pauly suggests, Cohen's making his list (and checking it twice) as we speak. Or if he in fact has someone in mind, or even if he's already begun privately interviewing. If none of the above, something tells me that he won't waste any time assessing Brodie's GM "WAR" once it's not affected by financial restrictions.

            "Five years" is a long time. Few people think it'll be that long before seeing Cohen's effect. I think the point of watching BVW -- just a watch; not a stare -- is to know when the coin is actually flipped. Whether we've gotten word of the official changing of the owner guard or not, we'll know there's a better cash flow either when Brodie has more to spend or is fired.
            Put it in the books.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by milladrive View Post

              But he does have an authentic job that I'm looking forward to seein' him lose.

              I think at this point it's almost a foregone conclusion that VW is just an inside connection for JefFred, and that the two-headed monster imposes the ultimate word when it comes to roster moves. Plus, he's definitely viewed by most as their crony.

              It wouldn't surprise me if, as Pauly suggests, Cohen's making his list (and checking it twice) as we speak. Or if he in fact has someone in mind, or even if he's already begun privately interviewing. If none of the above, something tells me that he won't waste any time assessing Brodie's GM "WAR" once it's not affected by financial restrictions.

              "Five years" is a long time. Few people think it'll be that long before seeing Cohen's effect. I think the point of watching BVW -- just a watch; not a stare -- is to know when the coin is actually flipped. Whether we've gotten word of the official changing of the owner guard or not, we'll know there's a better cash flow either when Brodie has more to spend or is fired.
              Brody's not the illness, only a symptom.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

                Brody's not the illness, only a symptom.
                Heh, or perhaps one illness stemming from another. Like the cirrhosis from years of alcoholism. The body may not be fully functional again until both A.A. and a transplant.

                Guess I'm just not a Van Wagenen fan. Never was, even before his current role.

                But hey, like I say, I'm okay if Cohen decides to retain him and he excels with the new budget. I have so much faith that Steven A. Cohen will make good decisions, my toes tingle just typing his name.
                Put it in the books.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

                  Brody's not the illness, only a symptom.
                  Agreed, but if Cohen is a truly a Met fan than he hates the way these two have run the team as much as you and I do then he understands how important it is to rid of all things Wilpon to let the fan base know the new sheriff is in town type of thing.

                  I think the only way BVW is retained is if Cohen's control comes in pieces over the dreaded 5 year period. Lets hope it doesn't go down that way.

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                  • #10
                    I see this ad here sporadically. Gotta be a coincidence; I can't find a connection.
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                    Last edited by milladrive; 01-18-2020, 02:34 PM.
                    Put it in the books.

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                    • #11
                      Mets' Jed Lowrie out for the season, sources say

                      One of Brodie Van Wagenen’s biggest disasters as Mets general manager has come to its inevitable conclusion.

                      Jed Lowrie will not play this season, which ends next weekend, because of left knee problems that have bothered him for more than 18 months, sources familiar with the situation acknowledged Wednesday.

                      Further, Lowrie has not been reporting to a team facility, instead retreating to his offseason home in Houston, a source added. He has not been able to do baseball activities while receiving a series of platelet-rich plasma and stem cell injections in his left knee.

                      In two seasons with the team, he went 0-for-7 and never played the field.

                      The Mets have not provided an update on Lowrie in more than a month, when they mentioned the injections. On Wednesday, for the second time in as many weeks, manager Luis Rojas said he didn’t have any information.

                      "I have no idea right now what his progression is," Rojas said.

                      That club officials have refused to say publicly that he is out for the year or offer any sort of update is the latest — and maybe last — twist in this bizarre injury saga, which has featured virtually zero transparency from the player and organization, plus occasions when Lowrie and his bosses seemed not to be on the same page.
                      https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseb...ets-1.49402409
                      The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.

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                      • #12
                        I think Brodie and hopefully Rojas stays. The baseball operations piece stays for awhile. Like a few journalists have mentioned the candidate to be replaced right away is the COO or President of non-baseball operations.
                        But that is putting the cart before the horse since MLB owners still need to vote on new ownership. Which should happen.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LI METS FAN View Post
                          I think Brodie and hopefully Rojas stays. The baseball operations piece stays for awhile. Like a few journalists have mentioned the candidate to be replaced right away is the COO or President of non-baseball operations.
                          But that is putting the cart before the horse since MLB owners still need to vote on new ownership. Which should happen.
                          Rojas will probably stay as it's too early to discuss a new manager once Cohen takes over. Let's see what he can do with a decent payroll. As for the Bug, how can anyone want him to stay??
                          North of the Big Apple but missing Central Fla :atthepc

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by brooklynboy View Post
                            As for the Bug, how can anyone want him to stay??
                            Indeed.
                            ...
                            Put it in the books.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by milladrive View Post

                              Indeed.
                              ...
                              If Van Wagenen is retained, it'll be without any power. Alderson will call the shots. Alderson might take a title of interim GM, if a new GM can't be found during the off-season. Van Wagenen will still be getting paid, but only the Wilpons would use that to justify someone unwanted lingering.

                              We have to remember: in normal franchises, the GM picks the manager, and the manager assembles the coaches (though often, coaches rose through the ranks of an organization, so the GM was sometimes involved, as well). Managers seldom survive regime. Unless you're a local legend like Bruce Bochy.

                              (Just looked Bochy up. Baseball Reference says he played for the Mets in 1982! I didn't remember until I thought very hard. Milladrive, was he in an updated yearbook back in 1982? I seem to remember something like that. But the memory was lurking unconnected to his eventual future as manager.

                              By the way, haven't seen you on this board lately.)
                              Last edited by Mongoose; 10-18-2020, 02:16 PM.


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