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  • Can they win WITHOUT pitching upgrade?

    If the Mets go into the season without any significant upgrade, which basically means Santana or Haran, can they win? I am wary if we see retreads like Hernandez and Colon instead.
    :cap:

  • #2
    It's possible. I mean this past season they had pitching that was good enough to make the post season. Besides Glavine all the key pitchers will be back. If you look at the starting pitching, even if no upgrades are made, it should be a little better....

    -Maine/Perez had breakout seasons and hopefully can build a little on it and each be a little better.
    -Pelfrey/Humber-another year under their belts, hopefully one can step up and be a solid #4 or #5 pitcher
    -Pedro will be back for the whole season(hopefully). He should be able to pick up the wins and most of the innings that we lose in Glavine.

    Really the only starter that you can say may be worse is El Duque cause he is getting up there in years. Of course this is all on paper and who really knows how good each will be untill they play the games. Don't get me wrong, I think we need a quality #1 or #2 kind of guy if we want to think world series. But if we get one decent innings eating pitcher (#3-#5) then we still should have a solid shot at making the playoffs, then who knows.......

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    • #3
      They will not win if the best acquisition is Livan Hernandez.
      "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

      "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

      "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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      • #4
        Lowry sucks (look at K/BB), Haren may end up staying, Blanton is a #3, Weaver won't move, Bedard's price went up, the only good guy on Detroit is Verlander and he's not going anywhere.
        "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

        "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

        "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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        • #5
          "the only good guy on Detroit is Verlander and he's not going anywhere."

          As a Tiger fan, I believe that's bull...Bonderman's collapse late in the season doesn't mean he's an awful pitcher. Nate Robertson is also at least servicable, save for that one awful stretch he had last year.
          "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
          -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

          Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
            "the only good guy on Detroit is Verlander and he's not going anywhere."

            As a Tiger fan, I believe that's bull...Bonderman's collapse late in the season doesn't mean he's an awful pitcher. Nate Robertson is also at least servicable, save for that one awful stretch he had last year.
            Bonderman has bad mechanics and isn't an ace. Robertson is a #4.

            Originally posted by Ralph Zig Tyko
            There's not a Tigre in their starting rotation who couldn't solidify ours... Blanton is a winner. He finds a way... Weaver could be had for Delgado and Gomez and I'd do that in a flash.
            There are better options than the guys the Tigers have. Blanton isn't great. He barely strikes out 100 guys and pitches around 250. He's not the dominant ace they need. Weaver won't go anywhere and we won't trade Gomez for him. No one wants Delgado. No one. Not one of the 30 teams.
            Last edited by NYMets523; 12-08-2007, 04:04 PM.
            "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

            "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

            "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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            • #7
              Edit: Double Post
              "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

              "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

              "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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              • #8
                Wins are the worst way to judge a pitcher. Blanton is just a younger and slightly better version of Livan Hernandez.

                Delgado has no value. His career is on the endangered list, will probably be extinct by the end of the season. His attitude is unwelcomed in any clubhouse and that big salary is not helping.
                "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

                "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

                "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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                • #9
                  I believe if the Mets don't get a #1 or #2 pitcher along with inning eater they may very well miss the playoffs again. Both Phillies and Braves solidified their pitching and in order to keep up with them Mets need to get better with SP and bullpen. At this point I don't feel our team has the talents to land Santana or Haren but maybe Omar will surprise us.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ralph Zig Tyko
                    Re. Blanton. His most important stat is "W." When and if we get him, you'll enjoy watching someone who does what it takes to win... If Shawn Green has value, so does Delgado.
                    I don't see teams lining up for Green's services...
                    ~MOE

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                    ...one game, no at-bats...


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                    • #11
                      anythings possible. Pelfrey could become the pitcher we all expect him to be, Maine and Perez could have good years, Pedro could stay healthy all season.

                      But Will that happen? I'm not sure, and I wouldn't bank on it.

                      If it works out, Omar looks like a genius, if it doesn't, there will be fans upon fans calling for his head.

                      I call for El Duque to go to the pen and be a long man. the past 2 years when the Mets really needed him (and the main reason they got him because of his reputation), hes gotten hurt and really screwed them over.

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                      • #12
                        A friend of mine ahd a good idea. Maybe the Mets should ask Mike Scott to show Pelfrey how to throw the split finger. Scott had similar stuff to Pelfrey and it worked great for him. Pelfrey needs another out pitch. It could turn Pelfrey into the pitcher we hoped he would be.

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                        • #13
                          Or where to hide the sandpaper. The Mets do need to teach the splitfinger. Maine would benefit from one as well.
                          "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

                          "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

                          "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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                          • #14
                            What is the Starting Rotation for the Mets going into '08?
                            "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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                            • #15
                              Pedro
                              Maine
                              Perez
                              El Duque
                              (vacant)

                              El Duque might move to the pen.
                              "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

                              "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

                              "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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