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  • #46
    "I don't remember Lo Duca stunting the growth of any pitcher."

    I don't remember Schneider doing the same, either.

    "offensively no."

    See above. OBP is basically a representation of how many times you DON'T make an out. Considering that not only was Schneider better than Lo Duca at not making an out in 2007, but also better than Lo Duca vs. league average at not making an out in 2007, I don't see how you can say this. It's not like either year was an aberration. Indeed, Lo Duca's OBP has been declining for a while. Schneider's has been about the same and not expected to take a sudden nosedive.
    Last edited by Dalkowski110; 03-02-2008, 10:40 AM. Reason: Two typos...
    "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
    -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

    Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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    • #47
      Dalkowski110: That was an off-year in terms of OB for Lo Duca. His career OBP of .338 confirms that.

      Here are some projections from Baseball Prospectus...

      Brian Schneider: .242 BA, .319 OBP, .344 SLG, 5 HR, 37 RBI, 34 R, and 2 SB
      Paul Lo Duca: .279 BA, .324 OBP, .375 SLG, 4 HR, 38 RBI, 36 R, and 2 SB
      Lastings Milledge: .290 BA, .359 OBP, .480 SLG, 19 HR, 73 RBI, 85 R, and 22 SB
      Ryan Church: .267 BA, .349 OBP, .472 SLG, 18 HR, 69 RBI, 64 R, and 6 SB

      Sure, some of Milledge's and Church's stats match up, but Milledge is 6 years younger, and much cheaper. Lo Duca is projected to have slightly better numbers on a much worse team, plus he would not have cost us surrendering Milledge. Heck, even splitting Ramon Castro with a FA defensive catcher would have been a better move since we could have kept Milledge. I really think that people underestimate the loss of Milledge...
      ~MOE

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      • #48
        Originally posted by moebarguy View Post
        Defensively, yes, offensively no. But Milledge + Lo Duca > to Church + Schneider.
        Lo Duca was going downhill. He was also a distraction and annoyance. Milledge can't hit a breaking ball either.
        "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

        "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

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        • #49
          Fair enough on Lo Duca. However, one thing stands out...

          "Brian Schneider: .242 BA, .319 OBP, .344 SLG, 5 HR, 37 RBI, 34 R, and 2 SB"

          Schneider hasn't had an OBP that low since 2003. In fact, he hasn't had an OBP below .320 except for his 2000 (rookie year) and 2003 seasons. I honestly see him doing a little better at working walks.

          "I really think that people underestimate the loss of Milledge..."

          The man is pure clubhouse poison. They'll find it out in Washington and likely trade him for pitching to some team that needs hitting. I think he'll learn to hit a breaking ball. However, I also think he'll be traded from team to team until he either grows up (I really bet his Nats teammates like him trying to start a war with the Mets...) or some team like Kansas City that can't afford to stock up good attitudes needs him.
          Last edited by Dalkowski110; 03-02-2008, 10:49 AM.
          "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
          -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

          Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
            "I don't remember Lo Duca stunting the growth of any pitcher."

            I don't remember Schneider doing the same, either.

            "offensively no."

            See above. OBP is basically a representation of how many times you DON'T make an out. Considering that not only was Schneider better than Lo Duca at not making an out in 2007, but also better than Lo Duca vs. league average at not making an out in 2007, I don't see how you can say this. It's not like either year was an aberration. Indeed, Lo Duca's OBP has been declining for a while. Schneider's has been about the same and not expected to take a sudden nosedive.
            I agree with you that Schneider is better defensively, and that he's right there with Lo Duca offensively, but we still surrendered Milledge. It was an unnecessary trade.
            ~MOE

            Moonlight Graham
            ...one game, no at-bats...


            RisingApple.com

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            • #51
              "but we still surrendered Milledge."

              I've heard enough direct quotes from players in the '06 and '07 clubhouses...and not veterans, either, Minor Leaguers, too...to know that surrendering Milledge was a good thing. His attitude problems, while not physical in nature, were disruptive in the extreme. They brought in Henderson to try and control him, Henderson worked at doing that but only that, so he had to go.
              "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
              -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

              Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by moebarguy View Post
                I agree with you that Schneider is better defensively, and that he's right there with Lo Duca offensively, but we still surrendered Milledge. It was an unnecessary trade.
                i dont think youll be sayin that when he doesnt do so well with the nats either
                Show me a guy who's afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time.

                -Lou Brock-

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by moebarguy View Post
                  I agree with you that Schneider is better defensively, and that he's right there with Lo Duca offensively, but we still surrendered Milledge. It was an unnecessary trade.
                  Milledge was a punk whose "me-against-the-world" was there from the day they drafted him. A Nats beat writer said the whole issue with his Mets teammates disliking him was overblown.

                  I'd rather the Mets have traded him for someone like Josh Barfield but that would have left 2 spots empty. Trading Milledge filled two spots with players who will, combined, have just as many Win Shares as L Millz.
                  "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

                  "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

                  "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by metsfan28 View Post
                    i dont think youll be sayin that when he doesnt do so well with the nats either
                    Lo Duca or Milledge?

                    I didn't want Lo Duca back, but I would have taken him if that meant not trading Milledge.

                    If you're talking about Milledge, I don't think he'll have a bad season. And even if he has a mediocre season, he's still 23.
                    ~MOE

                    Moonlight Graham
                    ...one game, no at-bats...


                    RisingApple.com

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by moebarguy View Post
                      Lo Duca or Milledge?

                      I didn't want Lo Duca back, but I would have taken him if that meant not trading Milledge.

                      If you're talking about Milledge, I don't think he'll have a bad season. And even if he has a mediocre season, he's still 23.
                      age has nothin to do with it its your maturity level

                      look at david wright he came up young to
                      Show me a guy who's afraid to look bad, and I'll show you a guy you can beat every time.

                      -Lou Brock-

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by metsfan28 View Post
                        age has nothin to do with it its your maturity level

                        look at david wright he came up young to
                        Wright is a very special player...not many players come up and instantly become the leader of the team.
                        ~MOE

                        Moonlight Graham
                        ...one game, no at-bats...


                        RisingApple.com

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