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    http://www.sportsultra.com/mlb/playe...jsp?cp=f&a=617

  • #2
    At last he didn't say "it's just one game out of 162", so I hope that he'll be more critical this year.
    sorry for some grammar mistakes

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    • #3
      Randolph's stoicism isn't going to cut it this year.
      That whole 'we'll be fine' buisness may work for a team that has actually won something. One playoff apperance 2 years ago doesn't give the manager or the team the right to act as if they 'know what it takes to win'. It's time to show some grit and some LIFE and some swagger. So far they're 0-3.

      I've always been a Randolph supporter, but last year HAS NOT been forgotten by me or any Met fan. Being more criticle is fine. However he needs to marry his critisism with some fire. Other wise it comes across as passing blame and covering his own rear end. So far, that's how his post game comments have been comming across to me. Couple that with what appears to be another year of team-wide complacency, and I think Randolph may 'lose' the players before June is out.

      We may well see a new skipper this July.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by whoisonit View Post
        Randolph's stoicism isn't going to cut it this year.
        That whole 'we'll be fine' buisness may work for a team that has actually won something. One playoff apperance 2 years ago doesn't give the manager or the team the right to act as if they 'know what it takes to win'. It's time to show some grit and some LIFE and some swagger. So far they're 0-3.

        I've always been a Randolph supporter, but last year HAS NOT been forgotten by me or any Met fan. Being more criticle is fine. However he needs to marry his critisism with some fire. Other wise it comes across as passing blame and covering his own rear end. So far, that's how his post game comments have been comming across to me. Couple that with what appears to be another year of team-wide complacency, and I think Randolph may 'lose' the players before June is out.

        We may well see a new skipper this July.

        I am starting to think his "criticism" isn't so much a genuine reaction to the on field performance, but a reaction to the media and fans comments and displeasure with the teams performance.

        And when he does single people out, his choices confound me. He's complained about Perez not going deep into games (take a look around Willie, the average outing right now in the bigs isn't even 5 2/3's right now, its April). He singles out Clark's base running, when in reality Clark shouldn't have even been in that position to begin with (the move that put Clark in the game was the wrong one, but then again, the double switch has never been Willie's strong suit). Yet, he is silent when it comes to Castillo's half assed ab's where he just slaps the ball on the ground and jogs to first base.

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        • #5
          I don't know how a guy who seemed to get it so right in 2006, seemed to be the wrong man by mid-season 2007. I'm honestly confused by this. While I'm not quite ready to jump on the long running 'Fire Willie' bandwagon, I'm getting close. Let's just say I'm jogging along side it at the moment.
          If he goes, he better have a tight grasp on the pitching coache's jacket as he's being ushered to the parking lot.

          I want to see Wally Backman take over this team. It's not PC, so I'm not holding my breath. That being the case, John Stearns would be a good choice. ( I'm assuming Ron Gardenhire's staying in the Twin Cities for another 10 years or so. )

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          • #6
            Originally posted by whoisonit View Post
            I don't know how a guy who seemed to get it so right in 2006, seemed to be the wrong man by mid-season 2007. I'm honestly confused by this. While I'm not quite ready to jump on the long running 'Fire Willie' bandwagon, I'm getting close. Let's just say I'm jogging along side it at the moment.
            If he goes, he better have a tight grasp on the pitching coache's jacket as he's being ushered to the parking lot.

            I want to see Wally Backman take over this team. It's not PC, so I'm not holding my breath. That being the case, John Stearns would be a good choice. ( I'm assuming Ron Gardenhire's staying in the Twin Cities for another 10 years or so. )

            my man Wally

            The 2006 team kind of ran itself so to speak. Everything was more clear, well defined. Some players overachieved certainly along the way, but Willy was never asked to make alot of decisions of any great significance. Don't underestimate the role people like Manny Acta played on the coaching staff, either. Lots of managers look brilliant not because of their managerial skill, but the skill of the coaches around them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NY16CATCHER View Post
              The 2006 team kind of ran itself so to speak. Everything was more clear, well defined. Some players overachieved certainly along the way, but Willy was never asked to make alot of decisions of any great significance. Don't underestimate the role people like Manny Acta played on the coaching staff, either. Lots of managers look brilliant not because of their managerial skill, but the skill of the coaches around them.
              Randolph came in with an attitude of no nonsense, losing is unacceptable, I have my rules whether you like it or not. There was definitly a sense of a new, tougher, sherrif in town. Right down to his no facial hair edict. He did change the culture of a team that was acustomed, and seemed to accept, losing. I found the way he treated Cliff Floyd, in particular, to be admirable. Floyd always had a tendency to be overly dramatic every time he dove for a ball, slid hard, etc... The guy would be removed from a game every time he got his uniform dirty. Randolph spoke often about players toughening up & never removed Floyd during his 'performances'. It made him a better player.

              I never thought Randolph was a brillian stratagist. I don't really put much stock in that type of hype anyway, (see Tony Larussa). A managers job, primarily is to set a tone, to be the leader.

              I no longer like the 'tone' he's setting and I don't believe the team views him as a leader.

              Totally agree about Acta.

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              • #8
                Randolph is ALWAYS testy. Even after a win in his post-games, he just wants to get the hell out of there.

                As NY16 mentioned, his singling out of players is stupid. He whined last week about his pitchers not going deep even though Perez pitched at least 5 2/3's in both his starts and did not allow a run and Santana pitched 7 innings TWICE. Only Pedro (injury) and Maine (bad start) did not go deep into games. Pelfrey pitched 5 but considering his struggles last year, that's not bad.

                He horribly mismanages the bullpen everyday. Feliciano, aruably the best pitcher in the bullpen, is in his dog house for no apparent reason. He's using Schoeneweis properly this year (he finally saw that righties were hitting BP off him). He uses Aaron Heilman even though he has been awful this year and has given up huge hits at the worst time (going back to last year). He seems to be overworking Sosa as well.

                Don't know whether or not it's true, but from what Gotay has said, it sounded like Willie didn't want him on the team. Which makes zero sense since Gotay is more valuable than Brady Clark and can play the IF positions better than Easley.

                Willie still has no basic grasp of strategy even after 3 years on the job. I've been a supporter for his firing since June of last year. I'm not someone who jumped on last week or in September.

                He had no control over the team and his lack of urgency throughout the whole season cost them the division. This year, his poor managing and rotation set-up has cost them some games (He should have lined up the rotation so Santana pitch against the Phillies on the home opener. Bobby Cox ALWAYS tweaks his rotation so Hudson and Smoltz face the Mets). The Mets made a mistake signing him. Rather than promote a guy who had managerial experience, they signed one who was nothing but a bench coach and NY name. Even worse he got that extension in the '06 off-season and IIRC was giving the front office a hard time about it.

                Originally posted by whoisonit View Post
                I found the way he treated Cliff Floyd, in particular, to be admirable. Floyd always had a tendency to be overly dramatic every time he dove for a ball, slid hard, etc... The guy would be removed from a game every time he got his uniform dirty. Randolph spoke often about players toughening up & never removed Floyd during his 'performances'. It made him a better player.
                His man-crush on Cliff Floyd explains him making the incredibly boneheaded move of having him pinch-hit on one ankle in the 07 NLCS when the tying run was on 1B.
                Last edited by NYMets523; 04-14-2008, 11:59 AM.
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                • #9
                  I know I'm gonna take heat for this, but if Willie gets canned, I'd like to see Lee Mazzilli as the manager. Okay, yes, I know he didn't do well in Baltimore. And he had...what to work with, exactly? You can't give a guy nothing and expect him to succeed. I would rather have Maz than Backman (I think there's a point where you just have too much baggage to be considered, realistically), Gary Carter (This is the same guy who refused a AAA managerial gig because he had all of one year of professional managerial experience. I don't want a prima donna as my team's manager, and that's what Carter has become) or bringing back Bobby V. (have we forgotten just how badly HE managed a bullpen?). I often wonder if Howard Johnson would step up if appointed manager. He has fire and knows the game well.

                  This is certainly not good that Willie just seems to be going off on random people. Again, I'm Randolph supporter for now, but this is not good.
                  "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
                  -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
                    I know I'm gonna take heat for this, but if Willie gets canned, I'd like to see Lee Mazzilli as the manager.
                    That's it.
                    I'm making a formal request to have your posting privledges suspended.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
                      I know I'm gonna take heat for this, but if Willie gets canned, I'd like to see Lee Mazzilli as the manager. Okay, yes, I know he didn't do well in Baltimore. And he had...what to work with, exactly?
                      You won't take heat from me. I've heard other people say he wasn't horrible in Baltimore. Wouldn't mind him if he was an interim manager.

                      or bringing back Bobby V. (have we forgotten just how badly HE managed a bullpen?).
                      He's unrealistic because he's in Japan. Even if he was a realistic possibility, maybe he'd be less headstrong since he has an oppurtunity to be back in NY and with a very talented team.

                      This is certainly not good that Willie just seems to be going off on random people. Again, I'm Randolph supporter for now, but this is not good.
                      He's trying to push the spotlight away from his poor managing.
                      Last edited by NYMets523; 04-14-2008, 03:58 PM.
                      "I'm happy for [Edwin Encarnacion] because this guy bleeds internally, big-time" -Dusty Baker

                      "If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it on the scoreboard?" -Jeff Francoeur

                      "At the end of the day, the sun comes up and I still have a job" -Joba Chamberlain

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