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    italics mark the part also posted in the BBF Hall of Fame forum thread on the recent BBWAA vote for Cooperstown.

    Orosco was a super relief pitcher for a few years and he is the leader in career games pitched. He debuted in 1979, a long time ago.

    For six seasons he worked more than four outs, on average, with his workload declining roughly 6-5-4-4-4-4. Those may be called six seasons as a relief ace. For eleven more season he worked about one inning, on average; he finished about 20 games per season with about three saves, on average. For merely five closing seasons he worked less than two outs, on average, a true lefty specialist.


    By the way, do the Mets lead all teams in the share of bullpen responsibility assigned to lefties?


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    For how much of 1982-87 is it reasonable to call Orosco a "relief ace"?

    Is it fair to say that Tug McGraw, Jesse Orosco, Randy Myers, and John Franco were all ace relief pitchers with the Mets?
    Anyone else?

    There were several prominent lefty relief aces in Tug McGraw's heyday with the Mets and Phillies, roughly the 1970s. Of course there is a big gap between "relief ace" and "lefy specialist" or "LOOGY". Is it even true that the Mets have relied more than typically on lefty relief pitchers?

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    Who are the twenty most important lefty relief pitchers? Let me set the condition that Jim Brewer, John Hiller, Sparky Lyle, and Tug McGraw all qualify. They all debuted in the World Series era, as opposed to the Playoff Era. Feel free to extend beyond 20 if necessary in order to include them.

    A parochial version of the latter is Fill in the Blanks.
    The Mets have ---- of the ---- most important left-hand relief pitchers of the last 40 years.

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    Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post
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    For how much of 1982-87 is it reasonable to call Orosco a "relief ace"?

    Is it fair to say that Tug McGraw, Jesse Orosco, Randy Myers, and John Franco were all ace relief pitchers with the Mets?
    Anyone else?
    Billy Wagner
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post
      For how much of 1982-87 is it reasonable to call Orosco a "relief ace"?
      Not really sure how to answer that one. If we're talkin' southpaws only, then I'd say all six of those seasons he was a "relief ace." On the other hand, he led the Mets in saves only twice ('83-'84).

      Trivial tidbit: Orosco is the only pitcher in Mets history to lead the team for a season in both wins and saves ('83). Wonder how often that has happened in the modern era.
      Put it in the books.

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      • #4
        Orosco led the Mets in saves three times, one a tie with McDowell.

        I was thinking, what were smart Mets fans thinking and what do they think today?
        Did the Mets go too quickly and too much to Roger McDowell, perhaps feeling that a righty should be the ace?

        At the same time I was thinking, did the Mets ever address this? Did their writers ever ask? --whether Baseball was going the wrong way, flocking around specialized left/right roles.
        Lefty Randy Myers soon unseated McDowell. (In 1985 they were 22 and 24 years old, Orosco was 28.) During his first good season he led in saves (1987), so McDowell had only 2-1/2 seasons, same as Orosco. After three seasons with Myers, they picked up John Franco from the Reds, another lefty.
        Franco suffered some troubles in 1992-93 but he retained the job. Probably 1985-1992 is the most likely time the issue might have been discussed.

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