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  • Mongoose
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    Originally posted by alpineinc View Post
    Recent upload found on YT, a full Kiner's Korner from July 7, 1984. Mets rout Reds 14-4, Mookie going 4-4 is the guest.



    Thank you for posting that. Ralph was in good form. He even said "Mitsubishi" correctly every time. Looking at Mookie here I'm reminded he's aged very well. He's effervescent as usual. The highlights were great, too. It was great to see Gooden's fastball when it still had rise. That 1984 team remains a favorite. One forgets Hubie Brooks, Ed Lynch, Mike Fitzgerald, Rusty Staub etc. played with the 1986 guys. All in all Cashen mostly kept the right guys and dealt the right guys. I still liked almost everyone on that team, though.

    Here's more Ralph. I think SNY just posted this:



    Ralph lends some interesting insight here on the position of catching, how to tell is a catcher is calling a good game, stealing signs, etc. There are Ralph's usual elements of humor and candor. As an added bonus he also calls Joe Mauer "Joe Meyer", plus he mentions Randy Hundley played during the era of the 154 game schedule which, of course, was never so.

    In other words, vintage Ralph.
    Last edited by Mongoose; 02-24-2014, 10:46 AM.

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  • alpineinc
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    Recent upload found on YT, a full Kiner's Korner from July 7, 1984. Mets rout Reds 14-4, Mookie going 4-4 is the guest.

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  • RUKen
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    Once, during Old Timer's Day, there was a rain delay. Ralph Kiner invited Joe DiMaggio and Hank Greenberg into the studio, and the three of them talked baseball for about an hour. We didn't have a VCR, but I quickly got my tape recorder and caught most of the interview on cassette tape!

    The bad news is--I have no idea what happened to that tape.

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  • Steven Gallanter
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    Originally posted by alpineinc View Post
    Apparently old Kiner's Korners are scarcer than hen's teeth. The Seaver one on YT is the most prominent I've seen. Hopefully more will show up soon.
    My blog has an appreciation of Ralph Kiner.

    http://stevegallanter.wordpress.com

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  • Mister B.
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    Originally posted by dstoffa View Post
    Well, late 70's fits the time that betamax players began entering the home... As I wrote above, the VCR didn't become common place until the 80's. Odds are we won't see vintage episodes on home tapes.

    Doubt you'll see many from before that time.

    So the question becomes:

    1. How many people taped the game / show?
    2. How many people still have the tapes?
    3. How many many have been thrown in the trash because said tapes were "obsolete" or nobody had the equipment to play said tapes?

    There is also the estate factor... some kids may not have known what their folks had...


    Cheers!
    -Doug
    There's also an issue of deteriorating quality. Got my first Betamax in 1981; had many hundreds of tapes from the 80s that I converted to DVD a few years ago. It was heartbreaking that my 1986 World Series tapes (I used Sony Beta Gold Ultra High Grade - supposedly the best of the best) had deteriorated so badly as to become vitrtually unwatchable. Conversely the "less important" stuff taped on TDK, Maxell and Fuji held up just fine. Who knew.

    So, Hill Street Blues and Wiseguy look good, but all my Mets tapes turned to snow.

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  • dstoffa
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    Originally posted by Mongoose View Post
    There have to be Kiner's Korners around that people taped from the late 1970s on. Go on Youtube and you'll find anything and everything. I believe for the longest time MLB was active in chasing Kiner's Korner off Youtube. That's why there's almost nothing there today. The Dykstra's mom episode had been on Youtube and was taken down. There must be more.
    Well, late 70's fits the time that betamax players began entering the home... As I wrote above, the VCR didn't become common place until the 80's. Odds are we won't see vintage episodes on home tapes.

    Doubt you'll see many from before that time.

    So the question becomes:

    1. How many people taped the game / show?
    2. How many people still have the tapes?
    3. How many many have been thrown in the trash because said tapes were "obsolete" or nobody had the equipment to play said tapes?

    There is also the estate factor... some kids may not have known what their folks had...


    Cheers!
    -Doug

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  • Mongoose
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    Originally posted by dstoffa View Post
    While later episodes are more likely to exist, I think for vintage episodes, we are SOL.

    Video Tape was expensive, and many programs were taped over. In addition, the home VCR didn't become a common household appliance until the 80's.

    Heck, the reason MSG shows "The Vault" is because even they don't have archives of every game. They find a stray tape or film here or there, or maybe a fan sends something in... The only reason they had a copy of the Rangers 1979 Stanley Cup Semi-Final Game 6 upset of the Isles is because a fan, who had a VCR, actually taped the game.

    Sad, but true. Goes for much television back then...

    They weren't deemed worth saving.

    Like stadium seats and old school Topps baseball cards...


    Cheers!
    -Doug
    There have to be Kiner's Korners around that people taped from the late 1970s on. Go on Youtube and you'll find anything and everything. I believe for the longest time MLB was active in chasing Kiner's Korner off Youtube. That's why there's almost nothing there today. The Dykstra's mom episode had been on Youtube and was taken down. There must be more.

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  • dstoffa
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    Originally posted by Mongoose View Post
    Do you think you can find any old Kiner's Korners and post them?
    Originally posted by alpineinc View Post
    Apparently old Kiner's Korners are scarcer than hen's teeth. The Seaver one on YT is the most prominent I've seen. Hopefully more will show up soon.
    While later episodes are more likely to exist, I think for vintage episodes, we are SOL.

    Video Tape was expensive, and many programs were taped over. In addition, the home VCR didn't become a common household appliance until the 80's.

    Heck, the reason MSG shows "The Vault" is because even they don't have archives of every game. They find a stray tape or film here or there, or maybe a fan sends something in... The only reason they had a copy of the Rangers 1979 Stanley Cup Semi-Final Game 6 upset of the Isles is because a fan, who had a VCR, actually taped the game.

    Sad, but true. Goes for much television back then...

    They weren't deemed worth saving.

    Like stadium seats and old school Topps baseball cards...


    Cheers!
    -Doug

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  • alpineinc
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    Apparently old Kiner's Korners are scarcer than hen's teeth. The Seaver one on YT is the most prominent I've seen. Hopefully more will show up soon.

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  • Mongoose
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    Originally posted by alpineinc View Post
    I've now uploaded the FULL VERSION of the Kiner's Korner theme, which I'd bet almost no one has heard to the end lol. Enjoy.

    Wonderful. Thank you.

    Here's Vin Scully sharing some thoughts about Ralph:



    Do you think you can find any old Kiner's Korners and post them?

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  • alpineinc
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    I've now uploaded the FULL VERSION of the Kiner's Korner theme, which I'd bet almost no one has heard to the end lol. Enjoy.

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  • Paulypal
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    Originally posted by Mister B. View Post
    A few memories of my own:

    In the early years, I'm pretty sure there was a regular pre-game KK, not just post-game. At least for home games. Sometimes a between-games-of-a-DH show, too.

    I remember tuning in late, seeing visiting team players on the show, and being bummed because it meant the Mets had lost.

    I remember Seaver's shrill laughter. And Agee's unintelligible mumbling, followed immediately by Cleon Jones' "What Tommy's tryinta say is..."

    Around 3AM during the 25-inning game with St. Louis in 1974, there was a shot of Ralph asleep in the studio, where he'd been for about five hours.

    Full-speed replays (no slo-mo then), with the capital letters 'VIDEOTAPE REPLAY" on the bottom.

    Pete Rose making the show all about him, taking over the narrative of the replays "didja see me ..."

    After the last commercial, Ralph going solo giving the scores of the other games, while the camera panned down a low-tech board showing the scores.

    Followed by a reminder about tomorrow's game, and the reassuring, welcoming "if you can't make it to the ballpark, we'll see you right back out there."

    For it's time, it was all good stuff. Really good stuff.
    Mister B - that was some good stuff right there. Many of us share the same memories.

    The one that most resonated with me was tuning in late and seeing Greg Luzinski (or someone of that ilk) on the show and knowing they lost.

    All low tech for sure. Its funny how now we cant live without high tech, but how the low tech days are nothing but great memories.

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  • Mister B.
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    Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

    The best one was when he forgot his name during the intro to Kiner's Korner. He didn't just call himself "Ralph Korner" (which I'd seen). He said "Good evening, welcome to Kiner's Korner. I'm..." and then stood there with a deer in the headlights look saying "uh... uh" trying to remember his name for a few seconds. I think they went to a commercial. It's been so long and, of course, I only saw it once.

    Don't know about the rest of you but during Kiner's Korner I'd be sitting relaxed after a Mets game and such things weren't a complete surprise as they were happening. Ralph didn't seem to be astonished either. Sometimes he seemed a little uneasy as things got tangled and mangled, but the show continued to flow. It had to. It was live. For us the incredible lapses were part of the show.

    In some ways it was like an educational show on baseball with a bit of Soupy Sales or Uncle Floyd thrown in. Did he ever win some kind of Emmy? He should have. Kiner's Korner towers over the studio productions of ESPN and all the rest. I think whoever runs TV must have passed a law against unassuming Lo-Fi fun. Just try to find any.
    A few memories of my own:

    In the early years, I'm pretty sure there was a regular pre-game KK, not just post-game. At least for home games. Sometimes a between-games-of-a-DH show, too.

    I remember tuning in late, seeing visiting team players on the show, and being bummed because it meant the Mets had lost.

    I remember Seaver's shrill laughter. And Agee's unintelligible mumbling, followed immediately by Cleon Jones' "What Tommy's tryinta say is..."

    Around 3AM during the 25-inning game with St. Louis in 1974, there was a shot of Ralph asleep in the studio, where he'd been for about five hours.

    Full-speed replays (no slo-mo then), with the capital letters 'VIDEOTAPE REPLAY" on the bottom.

    Pete Rose making the show all about him, taking over the narrative of the replays "didja see me ..."

    After the last commercial, Ralph going solo giving the scores of the other games, while the camera panned down a low-tech board showing the scores.

    Followed by a reminder about tomorrow's game, and the reassuring, welcoming "if you can't make it to the ballpark, we'll see you right back out there."

    For it's time, it was all good stuff. Really good stuff.

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  • Mongoose
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    We're all looking forward to the posting of the original Kiner's Korner theme.

    On another note an article about Kiner's legendary flubs was inevitable. A respectable little period has to pass, though:


    Remembering Ralph Kiner
    February, 7, 2014
    Feb 7
    1:06
    PM ET

    I never got to see the late, great Ralph Kiner swing a bat. But I was lucky enough to spend many summer evenings listening to him speak into a microphone.

    And it was hard to think of a better way to pass a few hours than that, on many levels.

    Ralph Kiner was a beautiful man. Try to find anyone who ever met him who didn't love him, or love being around him. Anyone.

    He had a story for every occasion. He saw the game on levels a lot of people didn't. And he had one of life's special gifts -- the ability to laugh at himself.

    I'm especially grateful for that last gift because, as anyone who read my old Week in Review column in the Philadelphia Inquirer could tell you, I somehow became America's foremost collector of Ralph Kiner malapropism classics.

    It became, after awhile, a weekly feature of that column, because, let's just say, there was never a shortage of those pearls to choose from.

    Collecting them was a labor of love, and it didn't require much labor. I heard many of them myself. And Kiner fans sent them to me by the hundreds.

    They were true treasures of American broadcasting. And the reason I felt free to relay them to the world was simple:

    Ralph didn't mind.

    Not one bit.

    His good friend and old Mets broadcast partner Tim McCarver used to assure me of that on a regular basis. At one point, I got a phone call, out of the blue, from Danny Peary, an author who was writing a book with Ralph Kiner.

    Peary's question (of course): What were my favorite Kinerisms?

    After I relayed a few, I couldn't help but ask: "If you're writing a book with Ralph, why'd you call me?"

    "Ralph told me to call you," he said, "because you have the best collection of these of anyone."

    So before I start reminiscing about some of the greatest Ralph Kiner gems of all time, I needed to make that clear.

    Ralph Kiner understood those Kinerisms were part of his legend. And he was totally cool with that.

    It was part of his unique charm. As my friend Chris Isidore observed in an email Thursday, after learning that Kiner had died at age 91, "It'd be nice if every announcer could be Vin Scully, spinning prose poetry in describing both the great and the mundane moments on the field. But failing that, we're best off with the Ralph Kiners and Phil Rizzutos of the world, former athletes with a knowledge of the game along with a trove of amusing anecdotes and a propensity for malaprops that made the hours of dead time during the game funny and enjoyable."

    Exactly. There were many reasons to watch a Mets game with Ralph Kiner in the booth. But even Ralph himself knew what one of them was: There was a chance you were going to hear the English language used in ways never heard before.

    So on that note, presented with total love and affection for a great man, here they come, some of my favorite Ralph Kinerisms:
    The Name Game

    Not only could Ralph mispronounce the names of players everywhere, he even got his own name wrong. Ask any earwitness who heard him call himself "Ralph Korner" or "Ron Kiner." But there were many more where they came from.

    Dan Driessen came out "Diane Driessen." Gary Carter came out "Gary Cooper." Vince Coleman was "Gary Coleman." Dave Kingman was "Ed Kranepool." Milt May was "Mel Ott." And Ralph once called Dann Bilardello "Dann Bordello." Needless to say, I'm not touching that line.

    One of my favorite Kiner/McCarver moments ever came after Ralph even referred to his pal McCarver as "Tim MacArthur" during a game. Whereupon, as they were heading for a commercial, McCarver deadpanned: "And like MacArthur, we shall return." Awesome.
    Fun facts

    Ralph the historian once said of Cincinnati's old Riverfront Stadium: "Baseball began right here in this very stadium, back in 1869."

    Ralph the geographer once reported that veteran pitcher Keith Comstock was so well-traveled, "he's even been released by four different countries."

    Ralph the calendar chronicler once told us that "Darryl Strawberry was voted player of the month for June 4 to June 10" and that David Cone could be "the pitcher of the year for the month of July."

    And Ralph the college football fan once said that the Mets' hot-hitting Dave Magadan "does not have enough at-bats to qualify for the Big 10." Which was Northwestern's problem for years, right?

    Ralph the sabermetrician revealed that all of switch-hitting Howard Johnson's early-season homers had "come left-handed as a left-handed batter," and that "all of Rick Aguilera's saves have come in relief appearances."

    And, as thousands of you seemed to recall in the last 24 hours, Ralph the human greeting card marked his favorite holiday by telling all the dads out there: "And on this Father's Day, we again wish you all a happy birthday." Heck, why wouldn't we?
    Simple physics

    A bunch of people heard Ralph the weatherman try to explain one night why it's so hard to hit in cold weather. His premise was that cold could affect the distance a ball traveled by 25 feet:

    "On a cold night," he said, "you have to hit the ball 25 feet farther. So, in other words, if the fence is 338 feet [away] and you hit the ball 338 feet, you'll be 25 feet short."

    Which was, undoubtedly, news to the fence.
    Great moments in music

    I could go on like this for hours. But let's finish this tribute with one of Ralph's all-time all-timers, which was heard and relayed to me by more people than any Kinerism in history. And was recalled by many of you since you heard the news of Kiner's passing.

    It emerged from the late innings of a 1993 spring training game between the Mets and Yankees. Ralph apparently left the booth between innings, only to discover upon his return that the Yankees had made some defensive changes. Only one trouble with that: He was on the air live and hadn't quite had a chance to note them all.

    But he plowed in there anyway.

    "I see the Yankees have made some changes in the outfield," he said. "They've put Bernie Williams in left field. And now playing center field is ... "

    Hmmm. Good question. Who was playing center? Fortunately, he thought, the scoreboard had the answer.

    Unfortunately, what he discovered up there wasn't the defensive changes. It was the results of fan balloting to decide which song would get played on the PA system before the next inning.

    And the winner was ... Uh-oh.

    "And in center field," Ralph said, finally, "that's John Fogerty."

    Now none of us were in that booth, or the production truck, when that bulletin reverberated over the air waves. But there's a really, really good chance the next sound Ralph Kiner heard was: "Nooooo. That's Gerald Williams in center."

    Message delivered. Message received. Well, sort of.

    "Sorry," Ralph said. "Correction. That's Gerald Williams in center field -- and John Fogerty in right."

    True story. No truth to the rumor that the song they wound up playing the next inning was "Help." But it would have been a great idea, because all of us who remember that gem could use some help -- to help us quit laughing nonstop. For the last 20 years.

    That was Ralph Kiner. Still making us smile, even after he's gone. And we'll never forget him for it.



    The best one was when he forgot his name during the intro to Kiner's Korner. He didn't just call himself "Ralph Korner" (which I'd seen). He said "Good evening, welcome to Kiner's Korner. I'm..." and then stood there with a deer in the headlights look saying "uh... uh" trying to remember his name for a few seconds. I think they went to a commercial. It's been so long and, of course, I only saw it once.

    Don't know about the rest of you but during Kiner's Korner I'd be sitting relaxed after a Mets game and such things weren't a complete surprise as they were happening. Ralph didn't seem to be astonished either. Sometimes he seemed a little uneasy as things got tangled and mangled, but the show continued to flow. It had to. It was live. For us the incredible lapses were part of the show.

    In some ways it was like an educational show on baseball with a bit of Soupy Sales or Uncle Floyd thrown in. Did he ever win some kind of Emmy? He should have. Kiner's Korner towers over the studio productions of ESPN and all the rest. I think whoever runs TV must have passed a law against unassuming Lo-Fi fun. Just try to find any.

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  • alpineinc
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    Originally posted by Mongoose View Post
    They used different music in the 1980s, which was less distinctive but which I remember a bit more vividly. It was a kind of 80s muzak version of the sort of incidental music used in old NFL films. Not sure when they made the transition.
    Yeah, that music is in the intro on the Kiner's Korner Seaver clip, and I have to say that it left little impression on me - I would never recognize it apart from the video. But for me, who grew up with the 1970's Mets, the polka theme unleashes a flood of memories for sure.

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