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  • #31
    Another guy who needs to post explaining his views; fanof41, who only voted for Donn Clendenon, Willie Mays, and Mookie Wilson. StrawberryField, GuitarPunk2512, and RedsoxMetsFan123 have also NOT stated their reasons for voting. C'mon guys, read the first post like it says in the thread title. You have to validate your vote with a post, else it will not be counted.
    Last edited by Dalkowski110; 04-13-2009, 03:31 PM.
    "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
    -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

    Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
      Where were you from elections 3 to 17? I had the none of the above option there and no one complained. In fact, during election three four people voted for none of the above, and yet I saw no complaints about that. Why is it counterproductive to let people vote according to their opinion? Obviously ReyesofHope has a different view of who should be in OMHOF, but why should I disallow him from voting? PVNICK has voted none of the above before as I recall - should I have told him to stop voting? Just because someone does not share the same opinions as you does not mean that I should remove an option that has been on the polls for months.

      There are 15-18 voters nowadays. ReyesofHope voting none of the above is just one voter expressing his opinion. Last I checked, 14/15 is still more than 75%, 15/16 is more than 75%, 16/17 is more than 75%, et cetera. There are others not voting for these people as well.


      I thought the new rule I instituted was a pretty good compromise.


      How about you just try following the rules? You didn't make one "mistake or miscount", you did that...three or four times. Even once you voted for 19 people when I set the maximum to 15. I don't see how that can be a "mistake or miscount." I think you were just trying to sneak extra guys in without any of us taking notice.
      "None of the above" isn't a vote; it's a veto. It's a negative vote; an anti-vote, if you will. The person who most famously keeps casting this anti-vote is doing so in contravention to the whole concept of the OMHOF as you have articulated it. Anyone who believes Jesse Orosco is not a Mets Hall of Famer by our standards does not understand the concept of this exercise.

      Plus, Orosco actually had HOF-type numbers during his stint with the Mets; the guy is even violating his own stated standards.

      Our Mets Hall of Fame... Is this your poll or our poll? If it's our poll, our collective voice should be heard. If it's your poll and our reasoned opinions don't matter, you should change the name to Cowtipper's Mets Hall of Fame.

      Why not show some flexibility?

      As for my own votes, I overvote and then whittle down to 15. Accidents happen: Sometimes I'm off by 1, one way or the other. The only time I voted for 19 was the first time you ran the poll with a vote limit. I didn't notice the rule change before I voted that time. It's not like my voting patterns were, er... ruining whole elections or anything.

      Why is it you're so tolerant of some people that vote in contravention of the spirit and letter of this endeavor, but seem so willing to give me a hard time?


      "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

        Our Mets Hall of Fame... Is this your poll or our poll? If it's our poll, our collective voice should be heard. If it's your poll and our reasoned opinions don't matter, you should change the name to Cowtipper's Mets Hall of Fame.
        Here's the thing - it's cowtipper's poll, we're just voting in it. He is the master of his ... ah... poll. Mongoose is just pawn in game of life, if you will.

        It's time to put the mongoose/cowtipper brewhaha to rest.

        Cowtipper, is it possible to remove mongoose's 'none of the above' vote so he can re-vote this round ?
        Mongoose, if cowtipper can use his all encompasing poll power to allow you to revote, do you agree to buy one of those chinese things with the beads to count to 15 and accept that Ron Hodges, Dan Norman, et al are no longer an option to vote for ?

        True Met fans should stick together. Then we can all gang up on the closet yankee pride slobberers who are so filled with self loathing embarassment that they can't admit the real "luckiest man on the face of the earth" was Ed Kranepool, not the guy with the disease named after him because that would mean "lowering to orange and blue standards". Long live George Theodore !

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        • #34
          Add Tampa Bay Giants to the list of guys (StrawberryField, GuitarPunk2512, and RedsoxMetsFan123) who still need to make their votes count with an explanatory post...'course he only voted for Nolan Ryan, Bobby Valentine, and Mookie Wilson...
          Last edited by Dalkowski110; 04-14-2009, 11:12 AM.
          "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
          -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

          Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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          • #35
            - Neil Allen
            - Wally Backman
            - Hubie Brooks
            - Donn Clendenon
            - Ed Glynn
            - Skip Lockwood
            - Willie Mays
            - John Milner
            - Jesse Orosco
            - Craig Swan
            - Mookie Wilson

            My continued support for:

            Neil Allen - I went back and forth on Neil Allen but I liked him, he was good, I hated the way fans turned on him when he stuggled plus he helped land us Mex. Some what a borderline Met HOF'er, but he was good and we didn't always have good players. If I were picking an All-Time Mets Team, he might just be one of my picks, therefore he gets my vote.


            Donn Clendenon
            - I've been considering him for a while. The strong arguments in his favor have swayed me. I will eventually vote for Ray Knight, the other WS MVP, and Clendenon had a better Met career and a more impactful role in the championship season. We've only won 2 so he deserves to be placed on a pedestal.

            Ed Glynn - The Flushing Flash. Born and bred in the shadow of Shea. A little Met fan who grew up to be a Shea Stadium hot dog vendor, HUT DAWGS ! HUT DAWGS HEA ! Talk about living the dream ... but wait, there's more ! He became a real, live, actual New York Met. We are the Mets, Ed Glynn is a most deserving Met Hall of Famer. His resume is unprecidented and unmatched. My support shall never falter.

            Skip Lockwood - Prior to the arrival of Billy Wagner, Lockwood was the best closer the Mets ever had, but he did it longer than Wagner. Therefore, I say this: SKIP LOCKWOOD WAS THE BEST CLOSER IN METS FRANCHISE HISTORY. Even fans old enough to have lived through the brutal era he pitched in probably have forgotten about him. He is, without a doubt the Most Under-rated Met of All Time. If he were around today he would be an obscenely rich man. If he and Sparky Lyle switch teams prior to the '77 season, it would have been Lockwood taking home the Cy Young Award. His lack of support thus far is the shame of the poll. Met fans ... it it time to end this grave injustice, show Skip the love and respect he deserves ! Free him from anonimity ! Put Skip in Our HoF !

            Willie Mays - I was a little boy when Mays arrived. The impact on our parents generation was big, but I suppose difficult to explain. It truely married the Mets to our National League past. There was no question at the time that Mays was a Met and had in fact 'come home'. I don't know that this can be said of any other former New York NL player. Hence, my vote for him as a Met HOF'er. He was working for the Mets after the '73 season. Perhaps if Bowie Kuhn hadn't kept him out of baseball for a few years because of the whole casino thing he would have had a greater New York identity in general and Met identity in particular. When he finally was allowed to work in baseball, the new Met owners were ignoring all things Mets and he went to work for San Fran. A vote for Willie is a vote to reclaim our long, rich National League history. That was the whole idea behind this franchise. Like milladrive said, even the Mets themselves have essentialy retired 24.

            John Milner - I loved The Hammer ! A Met HOFer ? Yes, he's a HOFer for sure, but only because this is the Mets.

            Jesse Orosco - One of the greatest closer/relievers in the Mets entire history. That's what the poll is all about: The Mets.


            Craig Swan - He was all we had. When he was healthy he was very, very good. Imagine a pond full of ugly, deformed, molting, half dead Canadian geese and in the center a majestic, classic, flawless, beautiful white swan. He needs more support.

            New votes this round:

            Wally Backman - An 80's icon. The little guy that could. The Mets don't have 1986 without him. As a side note, I belive he would have been the second comming of Billy Martin, which makes him the greatest manager the Mets never had.

            Hubie Brooks - One of the best position players ever developed by the franchise and ended the curse of third base, which the younger generation probably never knew existed. He got us Carter, (the greatest backstop the Mets ever had), so missed out on the glory days. The least we can do is give him this.

            Mookie Wilson - The greatest home-grown centerfielder in Mets history. Until the Beltran-era Mets actually win something, Mookie will be the Greatest Centerfielder In NY Mets History. Period.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by whoisonit View Post
              Here's the thing - it's cowtipper's poll, we're just voting in it. He is the master of his ... ah... poll. Mongoose is just pawn in game of life, if you will.

              It's time to put the mongoose/cowtipper brewhaha to rest.

              Cowtipper, is it possible to remove mongoose's 'none of the above' vote so he can re-vote this round ?
              Mongoose, if cowtipper can use his all encompasing poll power to allow you to revote, do you agree to buy one of those chinese things with the beads to count to 15 and accept that Ron Hodges, Dan Norman, et al are no longer an option to vote for ?

              True Met fans should stick together. Then we can all gang up on the closet yankee pride slobberers who are so filled with self loathing embarassment that they can't admit the real "luckiest man on the face of the earth" was Ed Kranepool, not the guy with the disease named after him because that would mean "lowering to orange and blue standards". Long live George Theodore !
              Mongoose can re-vote - I realize that "none of the above" vote was done in the 'heat of the moment.'

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              • #37
                My Picks:
                Skip Lockwood-gave the teams of the late 70s a force at the end of the game, unfortunate that he doesn't get the recognition of some others

                Jesse Orosco-No Met fan will ever forget him throwing his glove up in the air, and he was a pretty damn good pitcher too

                Mookie Wilson-Arguably the best Mets outfielder of the 20th century, brought a little bit of everything to the top of the order besides just being a likable guy
                "All shortstops can dance...Derek Jeter is a fullback with power and speed. Jose Reyes is a tailback with speed and quickness"-"analysis" of the New York shortstops' defense by the genius that is Joe Morgan

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                • #38
                  Not sure if StrawberryField's votes count or not, but here are the numbers on each player if they don't and if they do, respectively (note that I'm only posting players who had votes)...I'm assuming the other voters don't count, though StrawberryField did say he would post his answers in the Referendum thread.

                  Neil Allen: 22.22%, 20%
                  Wally Backman: 55.56%, 60%
                  Hubie Brooks: 22.22%, 20%
                  Donn Clendenon: 55.56%, 50%
                  Ed Glynn: 22.22%, 20%
                  Skip Lockwood: 55.56%, 50%
                  Willie Mays: 33.33%, 30%
                  John Milner: 33.33%, 30%
                  Jesse Orosco: 77.77%, 80% (And, by virtue, Jesse Orosco has been inducted into the Mets HoF!)
                  Nolan Ryan: 22.22%, 20%
                  Craig Swan: 44.44%, 40%
                  Bobby Valentine: 0%, 10% (StrawberryField, we're only judging on the basis of Bobby V.'s Mets playing career...he stunk as a ballplayer and is already in as a manager.)
                  Mookie Wilson: 88.88%, 80% (Welcome to the Mets HoF, Mookie!)
                  Joel Youngblood: 11.11%, 10%
                  None of the Above: 11.11%, 10%

                  Unless Cowtipper says otherwise, I'm pretty sure we can welcome Jesse Orosco and Mookie Wilson into the Mets Hall of Fame!
                  "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
                  -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

                  Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Dalkowski110 View Post
                    Not sure if StrawberryField's votes count or not, but here are the numbers on each player if they don't and if they do, respectively (note that I'm only posting players who had votes)...I'm assuming the other voters don't count, though StrawberryField did say he would post his answers in the Referendum thread.

                    Neil Allen: 22.22%, 20%
                    Wally Backman: 55.56%, 60%
                    Hubie Brooks: 22.22%, 20%
                    Donn Clendenon: 55.56%, 50%
                    Ed Glynn: 22.22%, 20%
                    Skip Lockwood: 55.56%, 50%
                    Willie Mays: 33.33%, 30%
                    John Milner: 33.33%, 30%
                    Jesse Orosco: 77.77%, 80% (And, by virtue, Jesse Orosco has been inducted into the Mets HoF!)
                    Nolan Ryan: 22.22%, 20%
                    Craig Swan: 44.44%, 40%
                    Bobby Valentine: 0%, 10% (StrawberryField, we're only judging on the basis of Bobby V.'s Mets playing career...he stunk as a ballplayer and is already in as a manager.)
                    Mookie Wilson: 88.88%, 80% (Welcome to the Mets HoF, Mookie!)
                    Joel Youngblood: 11.11%, 10%
                    None of the Above: 11.11%, 10%

                    Unless Cowtipper says otherwise, I'm pretty sure we can welcome Jesse Orosco and Mookie Wilson into the Mets Hall of Fame!
                    Yes - welcome in Mookie and Jesse!

                    We will be changing some of the rules - again - starting during election 20. Stay tuned.
                    Last edited by Cowtipper; 04-23-2009, 10:18 PM.

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