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  • Our Mets Hall of Fame, election 21

    Please limit your ballot to a maximum of 15 names.

    This is the twenty-first election for Our Mets Hall of Fame. Last time, we elected Wally Backman, Donn Clendenon and Skip Lockwood.

    For the original rules and specifications for this Hall of Fame, see:

    http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83894

    New, additional rules:

    When voting, consider the player’s Mets career only. If you choose to vote “none of the above,” you must explain your decision or your vote will not count.

    It is not necessary that you explain your other votes, however it is still encouraged that you do so.

    --

    New on the ballot:

    Bruce Bochy
    Carlos Diaz
    George Foster
    Brent Gaff
    Tom Gorman
    Rick Ownbey
    Gary Rajsich
    Ronn Reynolds
    Doug Sisk
    Rick Sweet
    Walt Terrell
    Rusty Tillman
    Tom Veryzer

    Dropped from the last ballot:

    Mike Cubbage
    Greg Harris
    Mike Howard
    Randy Jones
    Tim Leary
    Mike Marshall
    Charlie Puleo
    Dave Roberts
    Ray Searage
    Ellis Valentine

    Code:
    Mets Hall of Fame:
    
    Player:          Times on ballot:          Induction percentage:           When inducted:
    
    Tommie Agee             2                           80.00                   8th election 
    Wally Backman           2                           85.71                   20th election
    Donn Clendenon          14                          85.71                   20th election
    Jerry Grote             1                           100.00                  5th election
    Bud Harrelson           1                           100.00                  4th election
    Gil Hodges              1                           77.78                   1st election
    Ron Hunt                11                          77.78                   12th election
    Cleon Jones             1                           100.00                  2nd election
    Dave Kingman            2                           81.25                   15th election
    Jerry Koosman           1                           100.00                  6th election
    Ed Kranepool            1                           88.89                   1st election
    Skip Lockwood           7                           85.71                   20th election
    Jon Matlack             1                           81.82                   10th election
    Lee Mazzilli            1                           75.00                   15th election
    Tug McGraw              1                           90.00                   4th election
    Felix Millan            1                           77.78                   12th election
    Jesse Orosco            2                           77.78                   19th election
    Tom Seaver              1                           91.67                   6th election
    Rusty Staub             1                           85.71                   11th election
    John Stearns            3                           83.33                   16th election
    Ron Swoboda             10                          75.00                   13th election
    Mookie Wilson           1                           88.89                   19th election
    
    
    Manager:          Times on ballot:          Induction percentage:           When inducted:
    
    Gil Hodges               1                           90.00                   1st Mgr. election
    Davey Johnson            1                           100.00                  1st Mgr. election
    Bobby Valentine          2                           100.00                  2nd Mgr. election

    Code:
    Holdovers:
    
    Player:          Times on ballot:          Previous percentage:          High percentage: 
    
    Neil Allen              3                       28.57                        28.57 
    Bob Bailor              1                       14.29                        14.29
    Hubie Brooks            2                       57.14                        57.14
    Ron Gardenhire          1                       14.29                        14.29
    Brian Giles             1                       14.29                        14.29
    Ed Glynn                3                       28.57                        28.57
    Terry Leach             1                       28.57                        28.57
    Willie Mays             10                      42.86                        62.50
    John Milner             11                      57.14                        57.14
    Craig Swan              9                       71.43                        71.43
    Joel Youngblood         5                       57.14                        57.14
    
    Holdovers dropped:
    
    Last year of eligibility:
    
    none
    Number of voters in each election:

    Election 1: 18
    Election 2: 8
    Election 3: 9
    Election 4: 10
    Election 5: 9
    Election 6: 12
    Election 7: 10
    Election 8: 10
    Election 9: 10
    Election 10: 11
    Election 11: 14
    Election 12: 9
    Election 13: 8
    Election 14: 15
    Election 15: 16
    Election 16: 12
    Election 17: 14
    Election 18: 18
    Election 19: 9 (5 DQed)
    Election 20: 7

    Manager election 1: 10
    Manager election 2: 11
    Manager election 3: 8
    39
    Neil Allen
    2.56%
    1
    Bob Bailor
    2.56%
    1
    Bruce Bochy
    0.00%
    0
    Hubie Brooks
    10.26%
    4
    Carlos Diaz
    0.00%
    0
    George Foster
    2.56%
    1
    Brent Gaff
    0.00%
    0
    Ron Gardenhire
    5.13%
    2
    Brian Giles
    2.56%
    1
    Ed Glynn
    5.13%
    2
    Tom Gorman
    2.56%
    1
    Terry Leach
    5.13%
    2
    Willie Mays
    10.26%
    4
    John Milner
    12.82%
    5
    Rick Ownbey
    0.00%
    0
    Gary Rajsich
    0.00%
    0
    Ronn Reynolds
    0.00%
    0
    Doug Sisk
    10.26%
    4
    Craig Swan
    12.82%
    5
    Rick Sweet
    0.00%
    0
    Walt Terrell
    5.13%
    2
    Rusty Tillman
    0.00%
    0
    Tom Veryzer
    2.56%
    1
    Joel Youngblood
    7.69%
    3
    None of the above
    0.00%
    0

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Cowtipper; 05-17-2009, 10:46 PM.

  • #2
    I'm voting for:

    Neil Allen
    Terry Leach
    John Milner
    Doug Sisk
    Craig Swan
    Joel Youngblood

    Two new guys this time:

    John Milner - a talented homegrown slugger, the first the Mets really had.
    Doug Sisk - I've developed a habit of voting for solid relievers...so I'll vote for him as well.

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    • #3
      Craig Swan and Willie Mays for reasons I explained in the last election (I can elaborate a bit more if you want me to).
      "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
      -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

      Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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      • #4
        Brooks
        Milner - I'm amazed that the greatest everyday player produced until Mookie and Brooks, and a consistent 20 or therabouts HR man when that put you near the top of the league lead rather than as a platoon OF or 7th man in the line-up gets so little support.
        Terrell - the best hitting pitcher and not so bad on the mound. He was part of the resurgence until getting traded for Hojo a move which looked bad for several years.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by whoisonit View Post
          - Hubie Brooks
          - Ed Glynn
          - Willie Mays
          - John Milner
          - Craig Swan

          My continued support for:

          Hubie Brooks - One of the best position players ever developed by the franchise and ended the curse of third base, which the younger generation probably never knew existed. He got us Carter, (the greatest backstop the Mets ever had), so missed out on the glory days. The least we can do is give him this.

          Ed Glynn - The Flushing Flash. Born and bred in the shadow of Shea. A little Met fan who grew up to be a Shea Stadium hot dog vendor, HUT DAWGS ! HUT DAWGS HEA ! Talk about living the dream ... but wait, there's more ! He became a real, live, actual New York Met. We are the Mets, Ed Glynn is a most deserving Met Hall of Famer. His resume is unprecidented and unmatched. My support shall never falter.

          Willie Mays - I was a little boy when Mays arrived. The impact on our parents generation was big, but I suppose difficult to explain. It truely married the Mets to our National League past. There was no question at the time that Mays was a Met and had in fact 'come home'. I don't know that this can be said of any other former New York NL player. Hence, my vote for him as a Met HOF'er. He was working for the Mets after the '73 season. Perhaps if Bowie Kuhn hadn't kept him out of baseball for a few years because of the whole casino thing he would have had a greater New York identity in general and Met identity in particular. When he finally was allowed to work in baseball, the new Met owners were ignoring all things Mets and he went to work for San Fran. A vote for Willie is a vote to reclaim our long, rich National League history. That was the whole idea behind this franchise. Like milladrive said, even the Mets themselves have essentialy retired 24.

          John Milner - I loved The Hammer ! A Met HOFer ? Yes, he's a Met HOFer for sure. A dam good power hitting 1Bman and helped power us to the pennant in the amazing '73 season. How many slugging 1Bman have helped drive the Mets to a pennant ?

          Craig Swan - He was all we had. When he was healthy he was very, very good. Imagine a pond full of ugly, deformed, molting, half dead Canadian geese and in the center a majestic, classic, flawless, beautiful white swan. He needs more support.
          My vote for Neil Allen was always shakey. I'm dropping him. He just wasn't good enough after a second and third look.
          My replacement support is going to:
          Doug Sisk - A good, reliable, solid reliever who ended up being booed out of town by moron Shea crowds when he tried to pitch through arm trouble. Some of us still appreciate you Dougie Boy !

          Hey mongoose - george foster ? he's # 2 on my Mets Hall of Shame list. I was never a fan of the 4-6-3 rally killing double play. are you voting him in because of the sideburns ?
          Last edited by whoisonit; 05-06-2009, 08:09 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by whoisonit View Post
            My vote for Neil Allen was always shakey. I'm dropping him. He just wasn't good enough after a second and third look.

            Hey mongoose - george foster ? he's # 2 on my Mets Hall of Shame list. I was never a fan of the 4-6-3 rally killing double play. are you voting him in because of the sideburns ?
            He wasn't that bad in 1983, 1984, 1985. The problem was he was a major disappointment from the beginning because everybody expected him to duplicate his numbers from Cincinnati. Still, the fact that the Mets even signed him sent a signal to us that things were changing at the top under Doubleday. In a lot of ways, he's more justifiable than Willie Mays (who I also voted for).

            Plus by all accounts he's a nice guy and I doubt he'll break the 75% barrier based on my vote alone, so what the heck?

            Also:

            Tom Veryzer - He got off to a great start in his one year with the Mets, but Claudell Washington took him out with a hard slide, broke his leg, and that was that. He was from Long Island, I think. Port Washington or Port Jefferson; a local kid that grew up a Mets fan.

            Tom Gorman - He stuck around with the team longer than ability might have dictated, but he was supposed to have been a great clubhouse presence and seemed much loved by his teammates. Hernandez called him "Gorfax".

            Doug Sisk - He had one bad season pitching hurt and was crucified for that more than any guy the Mets have ever had. He was actually really good up until then.

            Terry Leach - He really belongs in the OMHOF. He never got a chance with the Mets even though he always excelled when used.

            His 10 inning 1 hitter was possibly the best pitched game in franchise history. Interestingly, John Denny also held the Mets to 1 hit through 9. Whoever came in relief for the Phillies only gave up 1 hit in losing it in the 10th. Koufax's perfect game against the Cubs featured Bob Hendley only giving up 1 hit, but that's a 9 inning game. I wonder if 3 hits is some sort of record for fewest hits given up in a 10 inning game? Anybody know?

            Walt Terrell - A pretty good pitcher for the Mets. The sequence of trades he was involved in were all heists for the Mets, both coming and going. This was back before Fred Wilpon started involving himself in the process.

            Ron Gardenhire - Another guy who was vilified even though he gave it up on the field. Not bad offensively by the standards of the time. It wasn't his fault he didn't have the greatest hands. Seemed nice, and might have been a fan favorite in the 60s or 70s. Maybe the fan base was beginning to change at this point, since prior to this the only guys that got booed as Mets were Richie Hebner types that didn't want to be Mets to begin with. He was treated mercilessly.

            No time for an epic post so I'll wrap it up succinctly:

            Bob Bailor - A great hard playing sub and gamer.

            Joel Youngblood - A bright spot during the darker years. I believe he hit something like .340 during the strike year.

            Hubie Brooks - A fine, classy player. But the Carter trade was worth it.

            Craig Swan - Winning only 9 games while leading the league in ERA is a testament to how bad the 1978 Mets were.

            John Milner - The Hammer was a fine player.

            Brian Giles - Not so bad, but was supplanted by the Backman/Chapman platoon.

            Ed Glynn - You convinced me on him.


            "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
              Please limit your ballot to a maximum of 15 names.

              This is the twenty-first election for Our Mets Hall of Fame. Last time, we elected Wally Backman, Donn Clendenon and Skip Lockwood.

              For the original rules and specifications for this Hall of Fame, see:

              http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83894

              New, additional rules:

              When voting, consider the player’s Mets career only. If you choose to vote “none of the above,” you must explain your decision or your vote will not count.

              It is not necessary that you explain your other votes, however it is still encouraged that you do so.

              --

              New on the ballot:

              Bruce Bochy
              Carlos Diaz
              George Foster
              Brent Gaff
              Tom Gorman
              Rick Ownbey
              Gary Rajsich
              Ronn Reynolds
              Doug Sisk
              Rick Sweet
              Walt Terrell
              Rusty Tillman
              Tom Veryzer

              Dropped from the last ballot:

              Mike Cubbage
              Greg Harris
              Mike Howard
              Randy Jones
              Tim Leary
              Mike Marshall
              Charlie Puleo
              Dave Roberts
              Ray Searage
              Ellis Valentine

              Code:
              Mets Hall of Fame:
              
              Player:          Times on ballot:          Induction percentage:           When inducted:
              
              Tommie Agee             2                           80.00                   8th election 
              Wally Backman           2                           85.71                   20th election
              Donn Clendenon          14                          85.71                   20th election
              Jerry Grote             1                           100.00                  5th election
              Bud Harrelson           1                           100.00                  4th election
              Gil Hodges              1                           77.78                   1st election
              Ron Hunt                11                          77.78                   12th election
              Cleon Jones             1                           100.00                  2nd election
              Dave Kingman            2                           81.25                   15th election
              Jerry Koosman           1                           100.00                  6th election
              Ed Kranepool            1                           88.89                   1st election
              Skip Lockwood           7                           85.71                   20th election
              Jon Matlack             1                           81.82                   10th election
              Lee Mazzilli            1                           75.00                   15th election
              Tug McGraw              1                           90.00                   4th election
              Felix Millan            1                           77.78                   12th election
              Jesse Orosco            2                           77.78                   19th election
              Tom Seaver              1                           91.67                   6th election
              Rusty Staub             1                           85.71                   11th election
              John Stearns            3                           83.33                   16th election
              Ron Swoboda             10                          75.00                   13th election
              Mookie Wilson           1                           88.89                   19th election
              
              
              Manager:          Times on ballot:          Induction percentage:           When inducted:
              
              Gil Hodges               1                           90.00                   1st Mgr. election
              Davey Johnson            1                           100.00                  1st Mgr. election
              Bobby Valentine          2                           100.00                  2nd Mgr. election

              Code:
              Holdovers:
              
              Player:          Times on ballot:          Previous percentage:          High percentage: 
              
              Neil Allen              3                       28.57                        28.57 
              Bob Bailor              1                       14.29                        14.29
              Hubie Brooks            2                       57.14                        57.14
              Ron Gardenhire          1                       14.29                        14.29
              Brian Giles             1                       14.29                        14.29
              Ed Glynn                3                       28.57                        28.57
              Terry Leach             1                       28.57                        28.57
              Willie Mays             10                      42.86                        62.50
              John Milner             11                      57.14                        57.14
              Craig Swan              9                       71.43                        71.43
              Joel Youngblood         5                       57.14                        57.14
              
              Holdovers dropped:
              
              Last year of eligibility:
              
              none
              Number of voters in each election:

              Election 1: 18
              Election 2: 8
              Election 3: 9
              Election 4: 10
              Election 5: 9
              Election 6: 12
              Election 7: 10
              Election 8: 10
              Election 9: 10
              Election 10: 11
              Election 11: 14
              Election 12: 9
              Election 13: 8
              Election 14: 15
              Election 15: 16
              Election 16: 12
              Election 17: 14
              Election 18: 18
              Election 19: 9 (5 DQed)
              Election 20: 7

              Manager election 1: 10
              Manager election 2: 11
              Manager election 3: 8
              I vote for the following:
              Foster
              Sisk
              Terrell
              sigpic
              LETS GO METS !!!

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              • #8
                Why did someone *only* vote for Ron Gardenhire? I can see him getting support from the "big hall" guys like whoisonit and Mongoose, but why ONLY Ron Gardenhire when there's Swan, Brooks, Milner, Terrell, Sisk, Foster...
                Last edited by Dalkowski110; 05-06-2009, 10:26 AM.
                "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
                -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

                Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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                • #9
                  Great post mongoose - I remember that Leach game !
                  As for Foster - you're on the mark about his signing - the ovation he got opening day '82 was thunderous, you could feel the stadium shake. But omg he sucked ... and was a major jerk. He openly mocked Gary Carter's game attitude and as I recall became scorned in the clubhouse for an incident during the '86 season concerning Carter. He was finally released and Carter . . . got a ring.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    With about a week left, it looks like John Milner and Craig Swan have the best chances of getting into OMHOF.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      This ends in a little less than a day.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        No one was elected this time around.

                        Comment

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