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  • Our Mets Hall of Fame, election 23

    Please limit your ballot to a maximum of 15 names.

    This is the twenty-second election for Our Mets Hall of Fame. Last time, we elected Keith Hernandez and Darryl Strawberry.

    For the original rules and specifications for this Hall of Fame, see:

    http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83894

    New, additional rules:

    When voting, consider the player’s Mets career only. If you choose to vote “none of the above,” you must explain your decision or your vote will not count.

    It is not necessary that you explain your other votes, however it is still encouraged that you do so.

    --

    New on the ballot:

    Billy Beane
    Bruce Berenyi
    John Christensen
    Sid Fernandez
    Wes Gardner
    John Gibbons
    Dwight Gooden
    Ross Jones
    Ray Knight
    Jerry Martin
    Kevin Mitchell
    Rafael Santana
    Calvin Schiraldi
    Dick Tidrow
    Herb Winningham

    Dropped from the last ballot:

    Mike Bishop
    Mike Bradley
    Mike Fitzgerald
    Brian Giles
    Tom Gorman
    Danny Heep
    Clint Hurdle
    Junior Ortiz
    Walt Terrell
    Mike Torrez

    Code:
    Mets Hall of Fame:
    
    Player:          Times on ballot:          Induction percentage:           When inducted:
    
    Tommie Agee             2                           80.00                   8th election 
    Wally Backman           2                           85.71                   20th election
    Donn Clendenon          14                          85.71                   20th election
    Jerry Grote             1                           100.00                  5th election
    Bud Harrelson           1                           100.00                  4th election
    Keith Hernandez         1                           100.00                  22nd election
    Gil Hodges              1                           77.78                   1st election
    Ron Hunt                11                          77.78                   12th election
    Cleon Jones             1                           100.00                  2nd election
    Dave Kingman            2                           81.25                   15th election
    Jerry Koosman           1                           100.00                  6th election
    Ed Kranepool            1                           88.89                   1st election
    Skip Lockwood           7                           85.71                   20th election
    Jon Matlack             1                           81.82                   10th election
    Lee Mazzilli            1                           75.00                   15th election
    Tug McGraw              1                           90.00                   4th election
    Felix Millan            1                           77.78                   12th election
    Jesse Orosco            2                           77.78                   19th election
    Tom Seaver              1                           91.67                   6th election
    Rusty Staub             1                           85.71                   11th election
    John Stearns            3                           83.33                   16th election
    Darryl Strawberry       1                           90.00                   22nd election
    Ron Swoboda             10                          75.00                   13th election
    Mookie Wilson           1                           88.89                   19th election
    
    
    Manager:          Times on ballot:          Induction percentage:           When inducted:
    
    Gil Hodges               1                           90.00                   1st Mgr. election
    Davey Johnson            1                           100.00                  1st Mgr. election
    Bobby Valentine          2                           100.00                  2nd Mgr. election

    Code:
    Holdovers:
    
    Player:          Times on ballot:          Previous percentage:          High percentage: 
    
    Neil Allen              5                       20.00                        28.57 
    Bob Bailor              3                       10.00                        14.29
    Hubie Brooks            4                       40.00                        57.14
    Ron Darling             1                       70.00                        70.00
    George Foster           2                       20.00                        20.00
    Ron Gardenhire          3                       10.00                        25.00
    Ed Glynn                5                       20.00                        28.57
    Terry Leach             3                       20.00                        28.57
    Willie Mays             12                      40.00                        62.50
    John Milner             13                      60.00                        62.50
    Jose Oquendo            1                       10.00                        10.00   
    Doug Sisk               2                       20.00                        20.00
    Craig Swan              11                      60.00                        71.43
    Tom Veryzer             2                       10.00                        12.50
    Joel Youngblood         7                       20.00                        57.14
    
    Holdovers dropped:
    
    Brian Giles...lack of support
    Tom Gorman...lack of support
    Walt Terrell...lack of support
    
    Last year of eligibility:
    
    none
    Number of voters in each election:

    Election 1: 18
    Election 2: 8
    Election 3: 9
    Election 4: 10
    Election 5: 9
    Election 6: 12
    Election 7: 10
    Election 8: 10
    Election 9: 10
    Election 10: 11
    Election 11: 14
    Election 12: 9
    Election 13: 8
    Election 14: 15
    Election 15: 16
    Election 16: 12
    Election 17: 14
    Election 18: 18
    Election 19: 9 (5 DQed)
    Election 20: 7
    Election 21: 8
    Election 22: 10

    Manager election 1: 10
    Manager election 2: 11
    Manager election 3: 8
    84
    Neil Allen
    1.19%
    1
    Bob Bailor
    0.00%
    0
    Billy Beane
    0.00%
    0
    Bruce Berenyi
    0.00%
    0
    Hubie Brooks
    7.14%
    6
    John Christensen
    0.00%
    0
    Ron Darling
    13.10%
    11
    Sid Fernandez
    13.10%
    11
    George Foster
    1.19%
    1
    Ron Gardenhire
    0.00%
    0
    Wes Gardner
    0.00%
    0
    John Gibbons
    0.00%
    0
    Ed Glynn
    2.38%
    2
    Dwight Gooden
    15.48%
    13
    Ross Jones
    0.00%
    0
    Terry Leach
    2.38%
    2
    Willie Mays
    4.76%
    4
    John Milner
    10.71%
    9
    Ray Knight
    8.33%
    7
    Jerry Martin
    0.00%
    0
    Kevin Mitchell
    2.38%
    2
    Jose Oquendo
    0.00%
    0
    Rafael Santana
    3.57%
    3
    Calvin Schiraldi
    1.19%
    1
    Doug Sisk
    2.38%
    2
    Craig Swan
    7.14%
    6
    Dick Tidrow
    0.00%
    0
    Tom Veryzer
    0.00%
    0
    Herb Winningham
    0.00%
    0
    Joel Youngblood
    3.57%
    3
    None of the above
    0.00%
    0

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Cowtipper; 05-29-2009, 11:27 AM.

  • #2
    I'm voting for:

    Neil Allen
    Ron Darling
    Sid Fernandez
    Dwight Gooden
    Terry Leach
    John Milner
    Doug Sisk
    Craig Swan
    Joel Youngblood

    Comment


    • #3
      Brooks
      Darling
      Fernandez
      Gooden
      Knight
      Milner

      I couldn't in good conscience not vote for Knight (at least this first time) after spending multiple elections using WS Series MVP as a key credential for Donn Clendenon.

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      • #4
        This is my first vote. I'm going with the big three here:

        Dwight Gooden (should be unanimous)
        Ron Darling
        Sid Fernandez

        There were several others that I was tempted to go with as sentimental favorites, but they either didn't have the tenure or the stats to merit it.

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        • #5
          Calvin Schiraldi really should have been the Mets' WS MVP in 1986. He belongs in the Our Mets Hall of Fame as much as anyone connected with the WS team in 1986. Him on the mound in Game 7 of the 1986 WS is as iconic an image as Knight jumping on home plate in Game 6 or thrusting his fist in the air after his home run off Schiraldi. Calvin in Game 7 looked more scared than Canseco did stepping in the ring with Hong Man Choi.

          Calvin was a huge part of the Mets' most magical moment of all and as such belongs in OMHOF.

          CALVIN SCHIRALDI FOR OMHOF!!!

          Also...

          I feel Terry Leach is as almost as deserving as Darling and Fernandez. Think about it: when he actually got a chance to pitch he was about as effective as they were. He kept things together for the Mets in 1987 when the rotation was decimated. If he'd been in the rotation in 1985 or 1986, he probably would have had a W-L record comparable to Darling or Fernandez, and I think they're no-brainers for OMHOF.

          It's just that he was never as highly touted as the others and was never given a fair shot with the Mets.

          If you remember what Leach actually did and remember how he never complained about his role and was aways all about the team and winning, you'll probably agree with me that Leach belongs.

          I will therefore make it official and declare myself as seriously campaigning for Leach's induction here. He never got the credit he deserved and ought to be remembered somewhere:

          TERRY LEACH FOR OUR METS HALL OF FAME!!!


          "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

          Comment


          • #6
            Yes, but Schiraldi didn't do that while with the Mets. And you're only supposed to consider their Mets career when considering a player for OMHOF.

            Comment


            • #7
              Brooks (one of the few who made the Mets legit at a time when they were disgraceful)
              Darling (no-brainer)
              Fernandez (no-brainer)
              Gooden (no-brainer)
              Knight ('86 WS MVP, an easy choice)
              Mays (still supporting him and hoping for his election)
              Milner (still supporting him and hoping for his election)
              R. Santana (on the fence with him, but I'll give him my support for now)
              Swan (c'mon, folks, he truly deserves it)
              Put it in the books.

              Comment


              • #8
                - Hubie Brooks
                - Ron Darling
                - Sid Fernandez
                - Ed Glynn
                - Dwight Gooden
                - Willie Mays
                - John Milner
                - Ray Knight
                - Craig Swan

                John Milner
                The Hammer is running out of ballots. I've made the general argument before, but I'll repeat it again: this is all about the Mets franchise history. We are not comparing our Mets to 'historicaly great' players or other great players from other NY teams. It's about where a player fits in Met history. How many slugging, hard playing, (and home grown) first basemen have powered us to a World Series ? Would we have had '73 without him ? How many World Series have we been in ? This guy deserves his due.

                Craig Swan
                Swan was not only one of the best Met pitchers ever, he was one of the best in the majors during his time. How is that not enough ? I think he's being penalized for toiling in obsurity on some of the most pitiful and ignored teams to ever take the field. It wasn't his fault those teams were a joke. He won an ERA title for crying out loud ! If I was picking a Shea Era 5 man rotation he is probably is on it. If I'm voting for a ' Our Mets Hall of Fame' (!) he's a first ballot boy. Let's put an end to Craig Swan's obscurity and raise him to the lofty perch of a Our Met Hall of Famer and All Time Great here at BBF.

                Ray Knight
                The image of Knight beating the crap out of that guy is iconic and instantly states; " '86 Mets". Were they the same team after he left ? No. Was that a coincedence ? No. Was he the World Series MVP ? Yes. Is that enough ? Yes.

                Ed Glynn
                Holy crap, how many hot dog venders made it into the starting rotation ? He belongs !! He belongs !!

                Do Ron and El Sid need explanation ? Hmm ... let's hope not.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                  Yes, but Schiraldi didn't do that while with the Mets. And you're only supposed to consider their Mets career when considering a player for OMHOF.
                  I think that rule is applied pretty selectively anyway. For guys like Duke Snider it's valid. His career as a Dodger had nothing to do with his career as a Met. A lot of people around here bend the rule for Willie Mays. Let's not forget that he was sharing duty with Don Hahn during his tenure with the Mets. Despite this I understand his "symbolic" value and how his homecoming was especially significant to Mrs. Payson and I can support his candidacy.

                  Schiraldi is a more valid candidate than either of them, because his service to the Mets was actually performed on the field! In fact his historically rotten relief in the 1986 WS was possibly more important to the Mets than Orosco's sterling relief for the Mets during that same post-season.


                  "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    So we should put him in because he was an awful player?

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                      So we should put him in because he was an awful player?
                      It's a Hall of FAME, not a Hall of Merit.

                      Marv Throneberry and Choo Choo Coleman have gotten substantial support despite their lack of ability.

                      Willie Mays was not a good ballplayer as a Met but stands a pretty good chance of eventually being elected.

                      Calvin Schiraldi helped the Mets more than all of them combined.


                      "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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                      • #12
                        "Calvin Schiraldi helped the Mets more than all of them combined."

                        I think the difference is that Schiraldi was trying to defeat the Mets, while even Coleman and Throneberry were at least trying to win...
                        "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
                        -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

                        Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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                        • #13
                          Dwight Gooden: He had one of the greatest single seasons as a Met in their history, won 150+ games, and a .649 Winning Percentage over a span of 11 years.

                          Many faves among the rest.

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                          • #14
                            Haven't voted in a while, was waiting until the 80's players that I grew up with were coming on the ballot (and missed the last couple)

                            The big three are no brainers for me. Fernandez, Gooden, Darling

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                            • #15
                              I am curious how one can vote for Darling and Fernandez but not Swan.

                              Is it because they played on winning teams and won a ring ?

                              Are there really Met fans that buy into the 'win method' ?

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