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  • Well, Mongoose

    You certainly have found a lot of folks who don't like the Wilpons (and I should be near the top of that list).
    I am starting to think there are a few Mets employees on BF who post pro Wilpon stuff (I still can't find the post where someone said they speak to Jeff on the phone!...maybe someone will fess up)

    I will always like the team. Hopefully the team will outlast Wilpon and son.

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    • Originally posted by metfan13 View Post
      And here we go with the same old, same old.
      come on Fred.......

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      • Thank God we have a choice

        Thank God Mets season ticket holders don't have to sign multiyear contracts.
        At least there is a choice to say yes or no to renew in 2010.
        The Washington Redskins make their season ticket holders sign multiyear
        contracts.And many of these season ticket holders during these tough
        economic times cannot afford to continue to make payments on these
        tickets and want out of their contract.Redskins owner Daniel Snyder has been
        suing these season ticket holders who want out of their contract and has been winning his cases.He even won his case against a 72 year old woman
        who can't afford the tickets anymore who had Redskins season tickets since
        the 60s.Daniel Snyder is a poor excuse of a human being.I don't blame Bob
        Raissman of the Daily News for voting Daniel Snyder as "Dweeb of the Week."
        Does Snyder want to make people resort to living in cardboard boxes because
        their only crime is not being able to afford outrageous ticket prices to a
        sporting event during these tough economic times? I guess it's wishful thinking
        to have common sense come into play and have NFL commissioner Roger
        Goodell play George Bailey to Daniel Snyder's "Mean Mr.Potter" act.
        Like I said Thank God Mets season ticket holders don't have to sign multiyear
        contracts.

        Grote said to Koosman:"You don't give up any runs,we'll guarantee you
        at least a tie."(lol)
        "You don't give up any runs,we'll guarantee you
        at least a tie." ~ Grote to Koosman

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        • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
          Well, Mongoose

          You certainly have found a lot of folks who don't like the Wilpons (and I should be near the top of that list).
          I am starting to think there are a few Mets employees on BF who post pro Wilpon stuff (I still can't find the post where someone said they speak to Jeff on the phone!...maybe someone will fess up)

          I will always like the team. Hopefully the team will outlast Wilpon and son.
          Nothing to "fess up" to. My family and the Wilpons are in sporadic contact. We're not best friends or anything, and I certainly don't work for them. In fact, if anything, Nancy and Fred are more customers than employers. But it's a friendly rapport. ...And Jeff is around my age, so we get along. Crucify me.
          "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


          Put it in the books.

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          • Tell em we want Bobby V back!
            unknown brooklyn cabbie " how are the brooks doin"
            unknown fan "good they got three men on base"
            unknown brooklyn cabbie "which one?"

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            • http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...k7QXlG2GYD6ueN

              Talk about getting caught in a jam.

              After watching his team go down to defeat this season, Mets owner Fred Wilpon now faces potential "clawback" suits for raking in nearly $50 million in phony profits from Bernard Madoff's $65 billion Ponzi scheme.

              The "Mets Limited Partnership" appears twice on a new list of 31 investors who took home more money from Madoff than they handed over to the mega scammer.

              According to the chart compiled by Madoff bankruptcy trustee Irving Picard, the company -- reportedly linked to Wilpon through state incorporation records -- withdrew $570.5 million after investing $522.7 million in two separate Madoff accounts.

              A spokesman for Picard didn't return a request for comment, but a former federal prosecutor told Bloomberg News that the trustee would be in "violation of his fiduciary duty" if he doesn't go after the excess dough.

              Wilpon, chairman of the Sterling Equities real-estate investment firm, personally lost $700 million investing with Madoff, pal Larry King told GQ magazine earlier this year, although at the time the Mets said: "The numbers speculated continue to be inaccurate." According to Picard's filing in Manhattan Bankruptcy Court, the Mets Limited Partnership had $829,230 purportedly on account with Madoff shortly before his colossal con collapsed in December.

              Dates of the partnership's deposits and withdrawals weren't included.

              It filed two reimbursement claims for up to $500,000 in securities and a credit balance with the Securities Investor Protection Corp., but Picard denied both claims due to the "fictitious profits" it collected from money that was "in reality, funds deposited by other customers."

              Madoff, who's serving 150 years in a federal slammer, is a Queens native and major Mets fan whose company had an $80,000 pair of Delta Club Platinum season tickets for the second row directly behind home plate at Citi Field.

              Picard traded those ducats for "more marketable" Delta Club Gold seats and auctioned off tickets to the home opener for $7,500 on eBay. But the bulk of the tickets -- worth about $56,000 -- later went for only $38,100.

              The Mets issued a statement saying: "As has been stated previously, this has no effect on the operations of the New York Mets."

              Sterling Equities didn't return requests for comment.




              These were Mets accounts, not Sterling Enterprises accounts. Still think off season spending won't be effected?

              I think the big concern isn't the 50 million dollars the article mentions. It will probably involve looking at Wilpon's 30 year history with Madoff and having to give back all the profits he made during that time. Fred, after all, was near the top of the pyramid.

              I'm not sure, but I think that could happen.

              What a disaster.


              "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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              • Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

                These were Mets accounts, not Sterling Enterprises accounts. Still think off season spending won't be effected?

                I think the big concern isn't the 50 million dollars the article mentions. It will probably involve looking at Wilpon's 30 year history with Madoff and having to give back all the profits he made during that time. Fred, after all, was near the top of the pyramid.

                I'm not sure, but I think that could happen.

                What a disaster.
                I have been trying to do research on the Madoff scam, but it is pretty tough to get all of the details together. Until more stuff comes out in the wash, I will still have an opinion that Fred was MAYBE not a completely innocent victim. That's just opinion for now.

                Speaking of Fred, I listened to an interview on FAN with Dwight Gooden. He was speaking of how the Mets treated him around 1994-95 and how George Steinbrenner treated him . Doc had dinner with George one nite, George asked him a bunch of questions about Doc's life issues (no baseball) and then about 2 weeks later offered Doc a contract without the Yankees even watching him pitch. Doc said George was a believer that everyone deserves a second chance in life. Gooden said that he has had a few conversations with Jeff Wilpon and they have patched things up; when asked about Fred Wilpon, Gooden said "Jeff's Dad still has not talked to me at all".....not Fred, not Mr Wilpon, but Jeff's dad....Gooden's term.
                This would seem to back up your comments that Fred broke up the 1986 team and purged it of all trouble makers (Mitchell, Strawberry, Dykstra, McDowell, etc) And the second (or 3rd) best pitcher in Mets History pitches his no hitter as a Yankee.

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                • Do you think that's b/c as a convicted felon and man twice suspended from baseball George may have had to be of that opinion, whereas, at least, publicly Fred Wilpon has done nothing where he needs to seek a second chance or whathaveyou?

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                  • Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                    Do you think that's b/c as a convicted felon and man twice suspended from baseball George may have had to be of that opinion, whereas, at least, publicly Fred Wilpon has done nothing where he needs to seek a second chance or whathaveyou?
                    Possibly as far as George goes. I am sure he liked sticking it to the Mets too.
                    It does not excuse why Fred Wilpon has ignored Gooden (his words) while Jeff Wilpon has tried to extend a hand.

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                    • Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                      Do you think that's b/c as a convicted felon and man twice suspended from baseball George may have had to be of that opinion, whereas, at least, publicly Fred Wilpon has done nothing where he needs to seek a second chance or whathaveyou?
                      Fred's kinda brazen about his moral transgressions, like eminent domain abuse of his neighbors, which he's been agitating for now for years. I also think reducing affordable seating by nearly 20,000 for his largely blue collar fan base stinks more than a campaign contribution to Nixon. The problem is Fred isn't apologizing. At least not about that sort of thing.

                      Otherwise, it seems every season ends with an angry fan base and Wilpon promises and contrition.

                      A search of past articles and message boards would tend to back that up. Here's an oldie but goody demonstrating the organization's current problems are nothing new, and reminding us who's calling the shots:

                      Thursday, September 30, 2004

                      By BOB KLAPISCH
                      SPORTS COLUMNIST

                      Sooner or later, the Mets will finally discard the pretense of having
                      a master plan. Instead, they'll create a polling Web site where fans,
                      not their general manager, can dictate policy the way most teams do.
                      Gary Carter to replace Art Howe? Point and click. Carl Pavano instead
                      of Kris Benson in free agency? Get out and vote.

                      Omar Minaya as the new figurehead GM? Make your voice heard. Call the
                      talk-radio stations. The Wilpons are listening, desperately seeking
                      your input.

                      The cold-blooded coup against Jim Duquette on Tuesday is proof the
                      Mets have no direction, no vision - and worst of all, no faith in
                      their own ability to run a franchise. Instead, they've created a
                      bizarre consensus culture, prone to the kind of flip-flopping that led
                      them to nuke Duquette less than a year after giving him a multiseason
                      contract. This demotion is as shameful as it is ill-advised.

                      Duquette was never given the authority or autonomy he deserved. From
                      the first day, he was saddled with special assistants and superscouts,
                      all of whom had too much political clout. All summer, Duquette was
                      bogged down in meetings with Jeff Wilpon, either in person or on the
                      phone. One baseball person spoke of a midseason luncheon appointment
                      with Duquette, remembering the GM's embarrassment at how many times
                      his cellphone rang.

                      "Jeff kept calling and calling. Jim's battery actually died out in the
                      time we ate lunch," the person said. "He looked at me and said, 'I'm
                      really sorry.'Ÿ"

                      Duquette was too nice of a guy to put an end to the meddling. Either
                      that, or he just didn't have the juice to take on his bosses. Turns
                      out his patience paid no dividend, as the Wilpons discarded him as
                      quickly as George Steinbrenner used to run through managers. Even a
                      pro-Wilpon veteran such as Tom Glavine understood why the Mets were
                      being heavily criticized throughout the industry.

                      "It's awfully important in an organization to project an image you
                      have stability, you have a plan, and you are focused and everyone
                      knows what you're doing," Glavine said. "Sometimes that's not always
                      the case here."

                      It's more important for Wilpon to be liked on WFAN-AM, the team's
                      flagship radio station, which has been in attack mode in recent weeks.

                      Every afternoon during drive-time, Mike Francesa and Chris Russo have
                      specifically targeted the Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir trade with
                      the Devil Rays. The PR nightmare officially spiraled out of control
                      the night Kazmir beat Pedro Martinez at Fenway, striking out nine in
                      six innings. That's when Duquette's administration drew its final
                      breath.

                      The Wilpons started hunting for a scapegoat, apparently not satisfied
                      with firing Art Howe. Was Duquette in favor of trading away the
                      franchise's best pitching prospect? Yes - just like every other
                      adviser, including scouts Al Goldis and Bill Livesey, pitching coach
                      Rick Peterson and, most critically, Jeff Wilpon himself.

                      They were all guilty of taking a long shot gamble in the East, even
                      though the Mets were already six games out and fading. Duquette
                      deserves no more of the blame than the rest of the Mets' inner circle,
                      although he was the easiest target. That's because he was never the
                      Wilpons' first choice, anyway.

                      Last off-season, the job was offered to Minaya as a co-GM. He rejected
                      the proposal, insisting he wanted sole control of the day-to-day
                      operations. Fred Wilpon passed, giving Duquette a three-year contract.
                      Baseball people applauded the move, citing Duquette's ability to
                      remove Steve Phillips' trash, including Roger Cedeno, Roberto Alomar,
                      Armando Benitez, and Jeromy Burnitz.

                      Those were all Phillips' acquisitions, just like Howe, who turned out
                      to be one of the worst managers in Met history. But Duquette had to
                      endure all these handicaps in return for the time and latitude to
                      build a winning team the old-fashioned way - through draft picks and
                      trades. But the Wilpon family decided not to wait, since Minaya's
                      Expos are about to move to Washington, and he may or may not have had
                      a job with new ownership.

                      It certainly didn't hurt Minaya's standing to be popular with WFAN's
                      hosts - and if you don't think that factored in his hiring at Shea,
                      you don't know how sensitive the Mets are to their image problem. It's
                      not a reach to say Minaya is replacing Duquette because he'll get
                      Francesa off Wilpon's back. One general manager who agreed with this
                      theory called the Mets' pandering, "pathetic."

                      Of course, it remains to be seen how much sway Minaya will have. He's
                      a nice guy and, yes, he did scout and sign Sammy Sosa some 20 years
                      ago. But it's impossible to judge Minaya's performance with the Expos
                      in the last two years, given that Major League Baseball owned the team
                      and was content to financially starve them.

                      So will Minaya be able to keep Jeff Wilpon off the phone? Can he
                      convince ownership the Mets are years from contention? Does Minaya
                      have the authority to move Mike Piazza to the American League? To
                      trade Glavine for a younger arm? To nudge John Franco toward
                      retirement? Here's the real question: Does Minaya know what he's
                      getting himself into? Somehow, Fred Wilpon thinks Minaya and Duquette
                      can productively co-exist, which is another example of the owner's
                      naiveté. The same man who hired Howe after a five-minute interview
                      would never understand why Duquette must eventually leave Shea or how
                      the Mets are being ridiculed for their impatience today.

                      The good news for Duquette is that his reputation is intact. Other
                      baseball people called him on Wednesday to express their disgust with
                      the Mets' "Latest Great Thing" policy, which is no way to build a
                      winner.

                      As one GM put it, "I'm not sure what's worse - getting rid of a GM in
                      one year, or not realizing how stupid it is."


                      Does anyone think they're run any differently today?
                      Last edited by Mongoose; 10-22-2009, 01:06 PM.


                      "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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                      • Originally posted by Mongoose View Post
                        Fred's kinda brazen about his moral transgressions, like eminent domain abuse of his neighbors, which he's been agitating for now for years. I also think reducing affordable seating by nearly 20,000 for his largely blue collar fan base stinks more than a campaign contribution to Nixon. The problem is Fred isn't apologizing. At least not about that sort of thing.

                        Otherwise, it seems every season ends with an angry fan base and Wilpon promises and contrition.

                        A search of past articles and message boards would tend to back that up. Here's an oldie but goody demonstrating the organization's current problems are nothing new, and reminding us who's calling the shots:


                        Does anyone think they're run any differently today?
                        No offense but you're a little naive if you're going to call out a NYC real estate person for "eminent domain" Isn't that what is going to go on with the Nets, didn't the Yankees obliterate an entire park and last time I checked no other sports owner has made a concentrated effort to make things more affordable including your role model and apparent hero in the Bronx.
                        Last edited by PVNICK; 10-22-2009, 01:40 PM. Reason: inept typing

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                        • Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                          No offense but you're a little naive if you're going to call out a NYC real estate person for "eminent domain" Isn't that what is going to go on with the Nets, didn't the Yankees obliterate an entire park and last time I checked no other sports owner has made a concentrated effort to make things more affordable including your role model and apparent hero in the Bronx.
                          1) I never knew being a "NYC real estate person" gave someone license to act unethically.

                          2) Steinbrenner contributing to Nixon had no effect on the 1972 election, no effect on history and no effect on anything in any way I can tell. Wilpon eliminating 20,000 inexpensive seats threatens to have a substantial negative effect if you're a Mets fan. I didn't realize that noticing this made Steinbrenner my role model or apparent hero.

                          3) You didn't have much to say about the Klapisch column of five years ago that sums up the Mets' biggest ongoing problem:

                          Thursday, September 30, 2004

                          By BOB KLAPISCH
                          SPORTS COLUMNIST

                          Sooner or later, the Mets will finally discard the pretense of having
                          a master plan. Instead, they'll create a polling Web site where fans,
                          not their general manager, can dictate policy the way most teams do.
                          Gary Carter to replace Art Howe? Point and click. Carl Pavano instead
                          of Kris Benson in free agency? Get out and vote.

                          Omar Minaya as the new figurehead GM? Make your voice heard. Call the
                          talk-radio stations. The Wilpons are listening, desperately seeking
                          your input.

                          The cold-blooded coup against Jim Duquette on Tuesday is proof the
                          Mets have no direction, no vision - and worst of all, no faith in
                          their own ability to run a franchise. Instead, they've created a
                          bizarre consensus culture, prone to the kind of flip-flopping that led
                          them to nuke Duquette less than a year after giving him a multiseason
                          contract. This demotion is as shameful as it is ill-advised.

                          Duquette was never given the authority or autonomy he deserved. From
                          the first day, he was saddled with special assistants and superscouts,
                          all of whom had too much political clout. All summer, Duquette was
                          bogged down in meetings with Jeff Wilpon, either in person or on the
                          phone. One baseball person spoke of a midseason luncheon appointment
                          with Duquette, remembering the GM's embarrassment at how many times
                          his cellphone rang.

                          "Jeff kept calling and calling. Jim's battery actually died out in the
                          time we ate lunch," the person said. "He looked at me and said, 'I'm
                          really sorry.'Ÿ"

                          Duquette was too nice of a guy to put an end to the meddling. Either
                          that, or he just didn't have the juice to take on his bosses. Turns
                          out his patience paid no dividend, as the Wilpons discarded him as
                          quickly as George Steinbrenner used to run through managers. Even a
                          pro-Wilpon veteran such as Tom Glavine understood why the Mets were
                          being heavily criticized throughout the industry.

                          "It's awfully important in an organization to project an image you
                          have stability, you have a plan, and you are focused and everyone
                          knows what you're doing," Glavine said. "Sometimes that's not always
                          the case here."

                          It's more important for Wilpon to be liked on WFAN-AM, the team's
                          flagship radio station, which has been in attack mode in recent weeks.

                          Every afternoon during drive-time, Mike Francesa and Chris Russo have
                          specifically targeted the Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir trade with
                          the Devil Rays. The PR nightmare officially spiraled out of control
                          the night Kazmir beat Pedro Martinez at Fenway, striking out nine in
                          six innings. That's when Duquette's administration drew its final
                          breath.

                          The Wilpons started hunting for a scapegoat, apparently not satisfied
                          with firing Art Howe. Was Duquette in favor of trading away the
                          franchise's best pitching prospect? Yes - just like every other
                          adviser, including scouts Al Goldis and Bill Livesey, pitching coach
                          Rick Peterson and, most critically, Jeff Wilpon himself.

                          They were all guilty of taking a long shot gamble in the East, even
                          though the Mets were already six games out and fading. Duquette
                          deserves no more of the blame than the rest of the Mets' inner circle,
                          although he was the easiest target. That's because he was never the
                          Wilpons' first choice, anyway.

                          Last off-season, the job was offered to Minaya as a co-GM. He rejected
                          the proposal, insisting he wanted sole control of the day-to-day
                          operations. Fred Wilpon passed, giving Duquette a three-year contract.
                          Baseball people applauded the move, citing Duquette's ability to
                          remove Steve Phillips' trash, including Roger Cedeno, Roberto Alomar,
                          Armando Benitez, and Jeromy Burnitz.

                          Those were all Phillips' acquisitions, just like Howe, who turned out
                          to be one of the worst managers in Met history. But Duquette had to
                          endure all these handicaps in return for the time and latitude to
                          build a winning team the old-fashioned way - through draft picks and
                          trades. But the Wilpon family decided not to wait, since Minaya's
                          Expos are about to move to Washington, and he may or may not have had
                          a job with new ownership.

                          It certainly didn't hurt Minaya's standing to be popular with WFAN's
                          hosts - and if you don't think that factored in his hiring at Shea,
                          you don't know how sensitive the Mets are to their image problem. It's
                          not a reach to say Minaya is replacing Duquette because he'll get
                          Francesa off Wilpon's back. One general manager who agreed with this
                          theory called the Mets' pandering, "pathetic."

                          Of course, it remains to be seen how much sway Minaya will have. He's
                          a nice guy and, yes, he did scout and sign Sammy Sosa some 20 years
                          ago. But it's impossible to judge Minaya's performance with the Expos
                          in the last two years, given that Major League Baseball owned the team
                          and was content to financially starve them.

                          So will Minaya be able to keep Jeff Wilpon off the phone? Can he
                          convince ownership the Mets are years from contention? Does Minaya
                          have the authority to move Mike Piazza to the American League? To
                          trade Glavine for a younger arm? To nudge John Franco toward
                          retirement? Here's the real question: Does Minaya know what he's
                          getting himself into? Somehow, Fred Wilpon thinks Minaya and Duquette
                          can productively co-exist, which is another example of the owner's
                          naiveté. The same man who hired Howe after a five-minute interview
                          would never understand why Duquette must eventually leave Shea or how
                          the Mets are being ridiculed for their impatience today.

                          The good news for Duquette is that his reputation is intact. Other
                          baseball people called him on Wednesday to express their disgust with
                          the Mets' "Latest Great Thing" policy, which is no way to build a
                          winner.

                          As one GM put it, "I'm not sure what's worse - getting rid of a GM in
                          one year, or not realizing how stupid it is."
                          The Mets have a non-baseball man putting himself in the center of baseball decisions. This has been the case since Fred Wilpon took over a 50% share of the team in November of 1986. The results have not been pleasant.

                          I tend to ignore all the polls and threads dealing with Omar Minaya, since he does nothing without Jeff Wilpon's say-so.

                          This is the Mets' biggest organizational problem.


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                          • So the Yankees are the best team in baseball again...

                            And the Phillies are the best team in the National League.

                            Great.

                            I can't resent them for having well run, professional organizations. I can only respect and admire them and wish we had the same.

                            I remember when the Mets owned this town in the 1980s. You couldn't go anyplace without seeing blue and orange Starter jackets. The Yankee teams of Mattingly, Rickey, Winfield, etc. were very, very good, but the Mets blew them out of the water for the affections of New Yorkers, even before 1986. New York was already a Mets town again by the end of 1984. People forget that the late 60's/early 70s Yankee teams probably had a better cumulative W-L record than the Mets of that period, but the Mets owned the town then as well. NY is a National League town. If the Mets and Yankees are at anything close to the same level of play, the Mets are New York's franchise.

                            Destiny dictated that George Steinbrenner would end up owning the Yankees and Fred Wilpon would end up owning the Mets. There was a time when baseball wasn't nearly as lucrative as it is now, and George was primarily the owner of a Great Lakes shipping/ship building company: the Yankees were primarily a hobby. George was a diehard Yankee fan and wanted to win more than anybody. He pumped his own money into building a winner and will now get his seventh World Series ring - his fifth in the last 13 years. The Yankees were always pretty obviously a labor of love for him.

                            Let's contrast this with Fred Wilpon...

                            One month after the Doubleday/Cashen Mets won it all in 1986 Fred usurped his 50% share in the team and things went into a tailspin. Fred was an entrepreneur with little apparent emotional connection to the team; he would ultimately force Doubleday out, and here we are now. It always seemed Fred was mostly interested in Mets as a vehicle to the Willets Point development boondoggle and squeezing as much money out of Mets fans and government as possible. Yet Fred and Jeff still feel they know more about running the team than their baseball people and are well known within baseball circles for intruding in personnel decisions - often over "character" issues. You can feel this strange combination of greed, boneheaded micromanagement and lack of emotional engagement hanging over the team like a dark cloud. It sucks a lot of joy out of being a Mets fan.

                            Through the demolition of Shea Stadium and the construction of its sterile replacement with its flagrant lack of Mets content, Fred and Jeff's lack of affection for what the Mets traditionally meant to this town and to the fan base became obvious. I believe Jeff spoke wistfully about driving a Bobcat through Shea and personally destroying it himself.

                            I get sick of people talking about the Mets' high payroll. Wilpon & Son will sign expensive free agents to make a media splash and juice season ticket sales. This is an investment in which their return is carefully calculated. They will then cut corners in places the fans can't see immediately, but that have a ruinous effect on the team.

                            Cheaping it out in the draft or the farm system produces the same effect on the team that building "Citi Field" with inferior materials does - cracks, rust and malfunctions everywhere.

                            Until there's a change at the top the Mets will be second banana in this town indefinitely.

                            Last edited by Mongoose; 11-05-2009, 10:28 PM.


                            "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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                            • I'm sure I've seen this post 150 times before.

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                              • Originally posted by metfan13 View Post
                                I'm sure I've seen this post 150 times before.
                                ditto this one of your's ...

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