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  • Our Mets Hall of Fame, election 26

    Please limit your ballot to a maximum of 15 names.

    This is the twenty-fifth election for Our Mets Hall of Fame. Last time, we elected nobody.

    For the original rules and specifications for this Hall of Fame, see:

    http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=83894

    New, additional rules:

    When voting, consider the player’s Mets career only. If you choose to vote “none of the above,” you must explain your decision or your vote will not count.

    It is not necessary that you explain your other votes, however it is still encouraged that you do so.

    --

    New on the ballot:

    John Candelaria
    Mark Carreon
    David Cone
    Tom Edens
    Bob Gibson
    Jeff Innis
    Gregg Jefferies
    Kevin McReynolds
    Keith Miller
    Randy Milligan
    Al Pedrique
    Don Schulze
    Gene Walter

    Dropped from the last ballot:

    Rick Anderson
    Tim Corcoran
    Stan Jefferson
    Barry Lyons
    Willie Mays
    John Mitchell

    Code:
    Mets Hall of Fame:
    
    Player:          Times on ballot:          Induction percentage:           When inducted:
    
    Tommie Agee             2                           80.00                   8th election 
    Wally Backman           2                           85.71                   20th election
    Gary Carter             1                           92.31                   24th election 
    Donn Clendenon          14                          85.71                   20th election
    Ron Darling             2                           84.62                   23rd election
    Sid Fernandez           1                           84.62                   23rd election 
    Dwight Gooden           1                           100.00                  23rd election
    Jerry Grote             1                           100.00                  5th election
    Bud Harrelson           1                           100.00                  4th election
    Keith Hernandez         1                           100.00                  22nd election
    Gil Hodges              1                           77.78                   1st election
    Ron Hunt                11                          77.78                   12th election
    Howard Johnson          1                           84.62                   24th election
    Cleon Jones             1                           100.00                  2nd election
    Dave Kingman            2                           81.25                   15th election
    Jerry Koosman           1                           100.00                  6th election
    Ed Kranepool            1                           88.89                   1st election
    Skip Lockwood           7                           85.71                   20th election
    Jon Matlack             1                           81.82                   10th election
    Lee Mazzilli            1                           75.00                   15th election
    Tug McGraw              1                           90.00                   4th election
    Felix Millan            1                           77.78                   12th election
    Jesse Orosco            2                           77.78                   19th election
    Tom Seaver              1                           91.67                   6th election
    Rusty Staub             1                           85.71                   11th election
    John Stearns            3                           83.33                   16th election
    Darryl Strawberry       1                           90.00                   22nd election
    Ron Swoboda             10                          75.00                   13th election
    Mookie Wilson           1                           88.89                   19th election
    
    
    Manager:          Times on ballot:          Induction percentage:           When inducted:
    
    Gil Hodges               1                           90.00                   1st Mgr. election
    Davey Johnson            1                           100.00                  1st Mgr. election
    Bobby Valentine          2                           100.00                  2nd Mgr. election

    Code:
    Holdovers:
    
    Player:          Times on ballot:          Previous percentage:          High percentage: 
    
    Rick Aguilera           2                       27.27                        30.77
    Neil Allen              8                       18.18                        28.57 
    Hubie Brooks            7                       45.45                        57.14
    Lenny Dykstra           2                       63.64                        63.64
    Kevin Elster            1                       9.09                         9.09            
    George Foster           5                       9.09                         20.00
    Ed Glynn                8                       18.18                        28.57
    Ed Hearn                1                       9.09                         9.09
    Ray Knight              3                       72.73                        72.73
    Terry Leach             6                       36.36                        36.36
    Dave Magadan            1                       18.18                        18.18
    Roger McDowell          2                       45.45                        69.23
    Kevin Mitchell          3                       36.36                        36.36
    Randy Myers             2                       27.27                        27.27
    Bob Ojeda               1                       54.55                        54.55
    Rafael Santana          3                       18.18                        23.08
    Calvin Schiraldi        2                       9.09                         9.09
    Doug Sisk               5                       36.36                        36.36
    Craig Swan              14                      63.64                        71.43
    Tim Teufel              1                       9.09                         9.09
    Joel Youngblood         10                      18.18                        57.14
    
    Holdovers dropped:
    
    Willie Mays...eligibility expired
    
    Last year of eligibility:
    
    Craig Swan
    Number of voters in each election:

    Election 1: 18
    Election 2: 8
    Election 3: 9
    Election 4: 10
    Election 5: 9
    Election 6: 12
    Election 7: 10
    Election 8: 10
    Election 9: 10
    Election 10: 11
    Election 11: 14
    Election 12: 9
    Election 13: 8
    Election 14: 15
    Election 15: 16
    Election 16: 12
    Election 17: 14
    Election 18: 18
    Election 19: 9 (5 DQed)
    Election 20: 7
    Election 21: 8
    Election 22: 10
    Election 23: 13
    Election 24: 13
    Election 25: 11

    Manager election 1: 10
    Manager election 2: 11
    Manager election 3: 8
    82
    Rick Aguilera
    2.44%
    2
    Neil Allen
    1.22%
    1
    Hubie Brooks
    6.10%
    5
    John Candelaria
    0.00%
    0
    Mark Carreon
    0.00%
    0
    David Cone
    9.76%
    8
    Lenny Dykstra
    10.98%
    9
    Tom Edens
    0.00%
    0
    Kevin Elster
    0.00%
    0
    George Foster
    1.22%
    1
    Bob Gibson
    0.00%
    0
    Ed Glynn
    2.44%
    2
    Ed Hearn
    0.00%
    0
    Jeff Innis
    0.00%
    0
    Gregg Jefferies
    1.22%
    1
    Ray Knight
    10.98%
    9
    Terry Leach
    4.88%
    4
    Dave Magadan
    2.44%
    2
    Roger McDowell
    8.54%
    7
    Kevin McReynolds
    2.44%
    2
    Keith Miller
    0.00%
    0
    Randy Milligan
    0.00%
    0
    Kevin Mitchell
    3.66%
    3
    Randy Myers
    2.44%
    2
    Bob Ojeda
    6.10%
    5
    Al Pedrique
    0.00%
    0
    Rafael Santana
    1.22%
    1
    Calvin Schiraldi
    1.22%
    1
    Don Schulze
    0.00%
    0
    Doug Sisk
    2.44%
    2
    Craig Swan
    8.54%
    7
    Tim Teufel
    2.44%
    2
    Gene Walter
    0.00%
    0
    Joel Youngblood
    3.66%
    3
    None of the above
    3.66%
    3

    The poll is expired.


  • #2
    My ballot:


    Rick Aguilera
    Neil Allen
    David Cone
    Lenny Dykstra
    Ray Knight
    Terry Leach
    Dave Magadan
    Roger McDowell
    Randy Myers
    Bob Ojeda
    Doug Sisk
    Craig Swan
    Joel Youngblood

    Also, this is Craig Swan's final year of eligibility.

    I'll probably vote for McReynolds next time around.

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    • #3
      I've cut my votes a bit this time around. Probably not permanently, though.

      Brooks
      Cone (no-brainer)
      Dykstra (no-brainer)
      Knight ('86 WS MVP - no-brainer)
      McDowell (no-brainer)
      McReynolds
      Ojeda
      Swan (just do it)
      Put it in the books.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ralph Zig Tyko
        Can't we put the election off until we have "Hall Of Fame caliber" players to vote for? I'm a Mets fan with fond memories of most, if not all, of these guys. Let's reserve the "Hall" for the likes of Casey, Gil and George.
        ...nope.

        What is not Hall of Fame calibre to you is Hall of Fame calibre to others.
        Last edited by Cowtipper; 07-04-2009, 08:47 PM.

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        • #5
          Ooooh. This is the first time I'm participating in one of these. Interesting that so few people participate. Be that as it may, here were my selections:

          Hubie Brooks - Hubie was a very popular player. Enough so that he made some truly awful teams watchable. Saved a couple of otherwise miserable seasons for me back in the early '80s. I always liked him and more often than not, when Met fans would talk around the water coolers at work, they'd talk about Hubie Brooks. He deserves to be a representative from that era IMO.

          David Cone - No, he never pitched a no-hitter for the Mets. And yes, he did some weird thing with lotion in the bullpen with some young female fans. And through no fault of his own was traded on the day of a scheduled doubleheader when my friends and I had field level seats and we were going specifically to see him pitch... OK, never mind. I didn't vote for him.

          Lenny Dykstra - A no-brainer. I saw Nails doing an interview on some show a few years ago. He said something like, "It's always a great day when the Braves lose." And he was long retired from the game. That's the kind of spark the Mets need every year.

          Ray Knight - Another sparkplug. I still can't believe he and the Mets parted ways after he won the World Series MVP over less than half a million in contract money. Should Knight be in this Hall of Fame? Here's all you need to know: "Here comes Knight and the Mets win it!"

          Roger McDowell - The guy could pitch and his sense of humor kept everyone laughing during the last championship season.

          Craig Swan - Another no-brainer IMO. Didn't rack up monstrous seasons, but had his career cut short by injury. A lone bright spot starting around the time Koosman lost 20 (1978? too lazy to look it up). If I told you at this point in the season in 1980 his ERA was below 2.5 and the team as a whole was just awful (no need to look those up) you might agree with me.

          Or maybe not. But them's my picks and I'm sticking to them.

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          • #6
            With some convincing, I might be willing to vote for David Cone (8th alltime Mets wins list, 10th Games Started, 10th Innings Pitched). He's statistically similar to Craig Swan, but he played for better teams.

            In the end I probably wouldn't vote for either of them.

            As for the rest, I feel the same as the last election, no all time Met greats.

            So: None of the above.

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            • #7
              Cone - after Seaver, Koos, Johan and Doc he's on the very short list for top 5
              Knight - 86 WS MVP
              McReynolds - I would be willing to bet he's the only person on this ballot to finish top 20 in the NL MVP much less top 5 but he gets discarded, go figure.
              Ojeda - he sealed the deal for the pitching staff in '86

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              • #8
                None of the above.

                The list contains many favorites, and memorable Mets, but since none of the above performed at an All-Star caliber level for a reasonable amount of time in a New York Mets uniform, I could not vote for them.

                On the list my favorites include:
                1. Neil Allen: By association with another name - and fave- Rick Ownbey who could throw a frisbee with his toes, and helped the Mets acquire Keith Hernandez.
                2. Hubie Brooks: Followed him through the minors. Remember well the photo of him on the back page of the Post or News hugging Joe Torre when he was fired as Mets manager.
                3. Terry Leach: Saw him pitch a number of times in AAA when the Tides would visit Rochester NY. Always a nice guy with the fans. His 1-hit shutout in a Mets uniform was memorable.
                4. Keith Miller: Always liked his style of play and was sad to see him go to KC.
                5. Joel Youngblood: one of the few players to root for in the late 1970s. An excellent trade by the Mets to acquire him

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ralph Zig Tyko
                  Can't we put the election off until we have "Hall Of Fame caliber" players to vote for? I'm a Mets fan with fond memories of most, if not all, of these guys. Let's reserve the "Hall" for the likes of Casey, Gil and George.
                  George...

                  George Theodore?
                  George Foster?
                  George Bamberger?
                  George Weiss perhaps?
                  Last edited by ReyesOfHope; 07-06-2009, 07:45 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                    Cone - after Seaver, Koos, Johan and Doc he's on the very short list for top 5
                    Knight - 86 WS MVP
                    McReynolds - I would be willing to bet he's the only person on this ballot to finish top 20 in the NL MVP much less top 5 but he gets discarded, go figure.
                    Ojeda - he sealed the deal for the pitching staff in '86
                    Johan's been with us only a year and a half. Is he already one of our top five best pitchers? Right now, I'd rank Leiter or even Darling/Fernandez ahead of him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                      Johan's been with us only a year and a half. Is he already one of our top five best pitchers? Right now, I'd rank Leiter or even Darling/Fernandez ahead of him.
                      I'm projecting. Pretty dumb considering how the last LH Cy Young winner from Minnesota panned out after his first two years. Leiter's last years of excrutiating perpetual 3-2 counts have completely clouded my memories, but he was still real good when he first got here.

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                      • #12
                        To this day, in my family, when a pitcher makes over 30 pitches in an inning we refer to it as Leiter-esque.

                        As for the qualifications necessary to be "worthy" of this HOF, by definition they have to be below the level of the baseball HOF in Cooperstown, no? If you go by their criteria then there is precisely ONE player who belongs.

                        I don't even think the "All-Star caliber level for a reasonable amount of time" criteria is very effective. By that measure there are still very few qualified individuals. For many years the Mets had nobody like that. I think the standout players from those years, who grabbed the headlines every day when the team stunk, deserve my vote. Your mileage may vary.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by StillShea View Post
                          I don't even think the "All-Star caliber level for a reasonable amount of time" criteria is very effective. By that measure there are still very few qualified individuals. For many years the Mets had nobody like that. I think the standout players from those years, who grabbed the headlines every day when the team stunk, deserve my vote. Your mileage may vary.
                          I do. Just because there are a limited number of "qualified" players by my standard doesn't mean I will compromise my criteria. If few are elected, then so be it. But these are my standards and you have yours. It is/was a democratic process and let the majority rule. I have no objection to that, and no objection to your opinion.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ReyesOfHope View Post
                            I do. Just because there are a limited number of "qualified" players by my standard doesn't mean I will compromise my criteria. If few are elected, then so be it. But these are my standards and you have yours. It is/was a democratic process and let the majority rule. I have no objection to that, and no objection to your opinion.
                            With all due respect, if anyone wants to see a stingy, empty Mets Hall of Fame, we can try to find Fred Wilpon's official team Hall of Fame. I personally think there's a correlation between its emptiness and the fact that Wilpon doesn't even care enough about it or the franchise's history to provide it with an actual location.

                            I think the object here is a bit different. Besides Tom Seaver, there's nobody that really meets your stated qualifications in this franchise's history. This would be a futile exercise if we used your standards. It would be boring. It would serve no purpose. Why bother to have elections when nobody could ever be elected anyway?

                            I think we just want to have a good time and remember some of the players we loved and who honored the orange and blue. I respect your opinion, but using your stringent standards is not the best way to do this.

                            BTW, while here I'd like to state my especial support for the candidacies of Dykstra, McDowell and Knight (all no-brainers).

                            I'd also like to say I loved the super-sub Kevin Mitchell. Symbolically, his trade signaled Fred Wilpon's ascension to power in the franchise and the breaking up of the 1986 team - essentially the downfall of the franchise. I remember his hustle and fine play in a Mets uniform well.

                            Let us also remember Terry Leach, who was as effective as Darling or Fernandez when used, and never got much recognition or credit. His lifetime Mets stats after 7 years of underuse during the prime of his career: W 24 L 9 PCT .727 ERA 3.11

                            He belongs in OMHOF.


                            "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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                            • #15
                              I voted Cone, Dykstra, McDowell. Was torn on Ray Knight. He only spent 2 1/2 seasos with the Mets, mostly as a platoon type player. If we ae going by the word "fame" in the Hall of Fame, then a case could certainly be made for him. As the WS MVP, he certainly deserves to be remembered. But is that one award for a seven game series enough to put him in the Hall, when he was otherwise a mediocre player?

                              Of course, I'll always remember him scoring on the ground ball through Buckner's legs, and that one play might be enough to put him in.

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