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  • Can we steal Thatcher away from them too? Not sure what else it would take but adding Thatcher and Street to the pen would be solid moves.

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    • Originally posted by Ralf View Post
      Our biggest chip at this point is Valdespin imo. I don't see him having a future with this organization and he has some upside. Also, guys like Gorski and Vaughn as throw in's. I'd consider Kirk or Den Dekker under the right deal too. Really don't need both of them. Havens is still a no-go. He started out the season pretty bad but has turned things around of late. Its still too early to give up on him imo. He's the type of guy that it can all click with real quick, assuming he stays healthy.

      Also, I really don't understand the "trade Murphy" crowd. This is a guy who has proven himself to be a good major league hitter. Like Duda, patience with defense is the key. I know thats hard for the instant gratification crowd but its the truth. There has to be a reasonable period of time to allow both to mature in their positions before looking elsewhere. A half of a year is not reasonable. Nobody is really lighting it up in the minors either to replace him.
      Yep generally in agreement here as well! I think Valdespin may be one of those prospects it's best to deal...and I'd take a decent reliever for him this summer.
      Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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      • Speaking only for myself, Alderson's snide attack on Mets fans because they didn't stuff the All Star ballot box like those rubes in California was .... typical of the man, I guess. But not cool.

        NY Mets general manager Sandy Alderson says fans did David Wright wrong
        Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...#ixzz1zfIazbNA

        Get us a bullpen, Sandy - and shut yer yap.
        Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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        • Originally posted by Strawman View Post
          Speaking only for myself, Alderson's snide attack on Mets fans because they didn't stuff the All Star ballot box like those rubes in California was .... typical of the man, I guess. But not cool.

          NY Mets general manager Sandy Alderson says fans did David Wright wrong
          Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...#ixzz1zfIazbNA

          Get us a bullpen, Sandy - and shut yer yap.
          Um, David Wright had easily 500,000 more votes than any other NL thirdbaseman, but the fans don't decide who starts. I'm not sure what Sandy's talking about.
          Put it in the books.

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          • Originally posted by milladrive View Post
            Um, David Wright had easily 500,000 more votes than any other NL thirdbaseman, but the fans don't decide who starts. I'm not sure what Sandy's talking about.

            Sandoval had more votes by far (1.6 million) because of some type of scam on their website. BUT the Met fans did a bad job....if the ASG matters to you. Alderson is correct.

            http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar12/sto...tar-fan-voting

            Personally I dont vote so I cant complain.
            Last edited by Paulypal; 07-05-2012, 05:32 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
              Sandoval had more votes by far (1.6 million) because of some type of scam on their website. BUT the Met fans did a bad job....if the ASG matters to you. Alderson is correct.

              http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar12/sto...tar-fan-voting

              Personally I dont vote so I cant complain.
              Yeah, I just don't know why the GM of the Mets would care any more than you, Pauly - get some relief help! The team can be in this thing....
              Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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              • Originally posted by Strawman View Post
                Yeah, I just don't know why the GM of the Mets would care any more than you, Pauly - get some relief help! The team can be in this thing....
                The whole All Star Game has become a joke. I remember when the players use to really want to win the game. Inter-league play (which I hate) has taken some of that luster away. The fact that home field for WS gets decided by this game is so off the charts stupid that its not measureable.

                Bud Selig has been a nightmare of a commissioner:

                1) interleauge play - has taken away from the ASG and the WS. An over reaction to the 1994 strike.
                2) steroids - he and his cronies were fully away of steroid use and were LOVING it when it was making them money..then they bailed on the players when Big Mac had the Andro in his locker. Truly a s'bag. They loved the roids when it was making fans forget about the 1994 strike.
                3) All Star game for home field - ok so an ASG ended up in a tie. Big deal. So Bud Selig has to go over board and make it mean something.
                4) as a Met fan-- the special dispensation he gave Wilpon in unforgiveable. He hangs McCourt and lets Wilpon walk away clean. This also led us to your favorite GM.

                Bud will tell us that the game has grown, and blah blah blah. The game would have grown with Mo, Larry and Curly running it. Its a great game, always was, always will be. Bud has done nothing to make it better.

                Sorry for the Bud rant, but this whole ASG mess leads back to one short sighted over reactionary moron.
                Last edited by Paulypal; 07-06-2012, 06:32 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                  The whole All Star Game has become a joke. I remember when the players use to really want to win the game. Inter-league play (which I hate) has taken some of that luster away. The fact that home field for WS gets decided by this game is so off the charts stupid that its not measureable.

                  Bud Selig has been a nightmare of a commissioner:

                  1) interleauge play - has taken away from the ASG and the WS. An over reaction to the 1994 strike.
                  2) steroids - he and his cronies were fully away of steroid use and were LOVING it when it was making them money..then they bailed on the players when Big Mac had the Andro in his locker. Truly a s'bag. They loved the roids when it was making fans forget about the 1994 strike.
                  3) All Star game for home field - ok so an ASG ended up in a tie. Big deal. So Bud Selig has to go over board and make it mean something.
                  4) as a Met fan-- the special dispensation he gave Wilpon in unforgiveable. He hangs McCourt and lets Wilpon walk away clean.

                  Bud will tell us that the game has grown, and blah blah blah. The game would have grown with Mo, Larry and Curly running it. Its a great game, always was, always will be. Bud has done nothing to make it better.

                  Sorry for the Bud rant, but this whole ASG mess leads back to one moron.

                  I agree with your basic points here. 1)As far as interleague, it started out trying to get interest back into the game but there are no enough real rivalries. Yanks-Mets, Chisox-Cubs, Giants -A's, Dodgers-Angels...that is about it. No real Indian-Reds, Rays-Marlins type of heat. MLB tried to create a Red Sox-Braves thing even though 99% of people never saw the Braves in Boston. As the Cubs complained long ago, they may split 3-3 with the Sox and St Louis could sweep KC, and through an unbalanced schedule they lose 3 games in the standings. Then, there is no excuse for the Mets and Yankees playing 6 games a year....let alone the Braves and Yankees playing 6 times this year. Crazy.

                  2)I also agree with the roids stuff. They knew what was going on. Just like there were stories back in 1914-1918 that baseball games were being thrown, MLB acted shocked after the 1919 WS???? Then why did Comiskey hire Christy Matthewson before the WS and told him to write down every suspect play? Why did A's owner Connie Mack get rid of his team after the 1914 WS ? hmmmmm

                  3)I never understood why the alternate 'home team' for the WS was done away with....it seemed to work for about a century.

                  4)As for McCourt.....I wondered why he never went after Bud for his favoritism. I guess he was content with making a billion dollars profit in 7 years, but still...you know someone like George would have been all over Bud !

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                  • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                    The whole All Star Game has become a joke. I remember when the players use to really want to win the game. Inter-league play (which I hate) has taken some of that luster away. The fact that home field for WS gets decided by this game is so off the charts stupid that its not measureable.

                    Bud Selig has been a nightmare of a commissioner:

                    1) interleauge play - has taken away from the ASG and the WS. An over reaction to the 1994 strike.
                    2) steroids - he and his cronies were fully away of steroid use and were LOVING it when it was making them money..then they bailed on the players when Big Mac had the Andro in his locker. Truly a s'bag. They loved the roids when it was making fans forget about the 1994 strike.
                    3) All Star game for home field - ok so an ASG ended up in a tie. Big deal. So Bud Selig has to go over board and make it mean something.
                    4) as a Met fan-- the special dispensation he gave Wilpon in unforgiveable. He hangs McCourt and lets Wilpon walk away clean. This also led us to your favorite GM.

                    Bud will tell us that the game has grown, and blah blah blah. The game would have grown with Mo, Larry and Curly running it. Its a great game, always was, always will be. Bud has done nothing to make it better.

                    Sorry for the Bud rant, but this whole ASG mess leads back to one short sighted over reactionary moron.
                    Yep, I agree with all of this. And add to that the next crazy iteration of the balanced inter-league sked and added WC single-game playoffs. Yuck.

                    No question, Selig is a disaster. And he did get us Alderson to boot!
                    Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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                    • Carlos Beltran 20 hr 65 rbi .304 avg 50 runs scored

                      How would he look in the Mets lineup, protecting Wright, and pushing Davis down a spot.

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                      • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
                        Carlos Beltran 20 hr 65 rbi .304 avg 50 runs scored

                        How would he look in the Mets lineup, protecting Wright, and pushing Davis down a spot.
                        Yeah and with Reyes leading off and providing speed and defense, pushing Tejada to 2B and Murphy to 1B/super-sub. In retrospect, Mets were on the brink of fielding one the franchise's great teams.
                        Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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                        • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
                          Carlos Beltran 20 hr 65 rbi .304 avg 50 runs scored

                          How would he look in the Mets lineup, protecting Wright, and pushing Davis down a spot.
                          Originally posted by Strawman View Post
                          Yeah and with Reyes leading off and providing speed and defense, pushing Tejada to 2B and Murphy to 1B/super-sub. In retrospect, Mets were on the brink of fielding one the franchise's great teams.
                          The Dodgers should have protected Roberto Clemente
                          The Jets should have drafte Dan Marino instead of Ken Obrien
                          The Red Sox shouldnt have sold Babe Ruth
                          The Reds shouldnt have traded Frank Robinson
                          The Padres shouldnt have traded Ozzie Smith

                          Hindsight is 20/20 which also doesnt change the fact that the team was broke. Nobody saw Beltran's year coming, and Reyes is having a very subpar season. I cant blame the the front office for not keeping either one.

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                          • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                            The Dodgers should have protected Roberto Clemente
                            The Jets should have drafte Dan Marino instead of Ken Obrien
                            The Red Sox shouldnt have sold Babe Ruth
                            The Reds shouldnt have traded Frank Robinson
                            The Padres shouldnt have traded Ozzie Smith

                            Hindsight is 20/20 which also doesnt change the fact that the team was broke. Nobody saw Beltran's year coming, and Reyes is having a very subpar season. I cant blame the the front office for not keeping either one.
                            The last thing that drove John McGraw from the NY Giants was allowing Hank Greenberg to leave NYC....and he was ridiculed for not signing him. They won 3 pennants without Greenberg, who won three pennants with Detroit. Imagine id they were together.

                            As for your others above, the Jets have a long history of drafting the wrong players...that is why they are the Jets. The owner of the Red Sox was more interested in financing "No, No Nannette" then baseball. The Reds blew it big time. And the Padres thought they stole Gary Templeton....that is why they are the Padres.

                            Alderson traded Beltran. Beltran is having a career year at age 35. Alderson has to take the flack, and the Cardinals take the applause. It comes with being the GM; evaluating talent. Just like Omar was crucified for signing Ollie and Bay.....it comes with the territory.

                            And nobody has ever officially stated the team was broke. In fact, they always seemed to deny they had money problems !

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                            • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
                              Alderson traded Beltran. Beltran is having a career year at age 35. Alderson has to take the flack, and the Cardinals take the applause. It comes with being the GM; evaluating talent. Just like Omar was crucified for signing Ollie and Bay.....it comes with the territory.
                              I wouldn't be so quick to give Alderson flack on this one. Even if the Mets were flush with money and willing to spend, I see no way that Beltran would have chosen the Mets over the Cards considering the treatment he got from fans and media during his tenure here. And Alderson's decision to trade him for Wheeler last year may have brought us a stud in the rotation for years to come. Way too soon to call though, so we'll have to wait a few years to pass judgement on that one.

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                              • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
                                The last thing that drove John McGraw from the NY Giants was allowing Hank Greenberg to leave NYC....and he was ridiculed for not signing him. They won 3 pennants without Greenberg, who won three pennants with Detroit. Imagine id they were together.

                                As for your others above, the Jets have a long history of drafting the wrong players...that is why they are the Jets. The owner of the Red Sox was more interested in financing "No, No Nannette" then baseball. The Reds blew it big time. And the Padres thought they stole Gary Templeton....that is why they are the Padres.

                                Alderson traded Beltran. Beltran is having a career year at age 35. Alderson has to take the flack, and the Cardinals take the applause. It comes with being the GM; evaluating talent. Just like Omar was crucified for signing Ollie and Bay.....it comes with the territory.

                                And nobody has ever officially stated the team was broke. In fact, they always seemed to deny they had money problems !
                                C'mon where was your criticism last year when he was traded and we got Wheeler, and Beltran was terrible with the Giants?

                                I love the Monday morning QB. Utterly ridiculous. Just a reach to knock Alderson..as usual.

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