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  • Originally posted by ribant View Post
    Since I'm the one who wrote they should not mortgage the future for short term gain I need to ask you some questions. Am I engaging in misdirection and sloganeering? For whom am I misdirecting and for what gain? My own gain or someone else's gain? Tell me, I need to know

    If I understand correctly you are willing to:

    Trade off young prospects and/or guys with potential who are under team control for a few or more years

    In order to:

    Get a 65 game rental of some mediocre short relievers to go on a playoff push you admit has a 85% to 90% of failure.

    So what will you say in 2013?
    He will say Alderson is at fault for trading prospects to bolster an already flawed team on a playoff run that was doomed to fail.

    Strawman will dispute this response that he will have in 10 months, but the proof is in his Beltran comments.

    This anti Alderson thread for the past 20 months has gone through an evolution of ridiculous, comical, sad, desperate, and worst of all just doing it for attention.

    It will run forever or until every member just ignores it. That wont happen because its only posting on a website after all, and most of us take the forum and most of all this thread very lightly

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    • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
      He will say Alderson is at fault for trading prospects to bolster an already flawed team on a playoff run that was doomed to fail.

      Strawman will dispute this response that he will have in 10 months, but the proof is in his Beltran comments.

      This anti Alderson thread for the past 20 months has gone through an evolution of ridiculous, comical, sad, desperate, and worst of all just doing it for attention.

      It will run forever or until every member just ignores it. That wont happen because its only posting on a website after all, and most of us take the forum and most of all this thread very lightly
      So you believe, if I have this correct Pauly, that your guy Alderson should not have his own thread on BBF - to discuss his performance - even though he's the GM of the Mets and every GM and Manager since this puppy was fired up has "enjoyed" multiple threads, each filled with plenty of criticism.

      Why does Alderson get (or deserve in any way) this suggested immunity?

      It's no secret that I find his performance lacking and his personality a terrible fit for the Mets, in this town, at this time. So what? A lot of guys didn't like Steve Phillips and Omar Minaya.
      Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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      • Originally posted by Strawman View Post
        So you believe, if I have this correct Pauly, that your guy Alderson should not have his own thread on BBF - to discuss his performance - even though he's the GM of the Mets and every GM and Manager since this puppy was fired up has "enjoyed" multiple threads, each filled with plenty of criticism.

        Why does Alderson get (or deserve in any way) this suggested immunity?

        It's no secret that I find his performance lacking and his personality a terrible fit for the Mets, in this town, at this time. So what? A lot of guys didn't like Steve Phillips and Omar Minaya.
        One primary difference, though, is that Phillips was an idiot. Alderson isn't. And Minaya had plenty of money to work with. Alderson doesn't. It's a rock and a hard place for him.
        Put it in the books.

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        • Names, give me names!! Those who want to play gm please let us know what you will do in the present/future and quit talking about the past. Make educated trade proposals and PROVE why you all are smarter than Alderson.

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          • Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
            Names, give me names!! Those who want to play gm please let us know what you will do in the present/future and quit talking about the past. Make educated trade proposals and PROVE why you all are smarter than Alderson.
            I would trade Johan Santana right now, yes today if possible, for whatever they could get. Yes, he threw THE no hitter, but he has not been the same since that day. Is he damaged goods? Let's not find out. Send him to any team willing to eat that salary. $25 million could go a long way in the off season.:flow:

            I am 100% serious....Johan may be damaged goods and any team that took his salary would be taking a chance....but better that chance than the Mets finding out in 2-3 weeks that he really is hurt.

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            • Originally posted by milladrive View Post
              One primary difference, though, is that Phillips was an idiot. Alderson isn't. And Minaya had plenty of money to work with. Alderson doesn't. It's a rock and a hard place for him.
              I dont place Alderson any higher than Phillips as a baseball man, sad to say. (Extracurriculars aside!) There's a very real lackadaisical approach in evidence.
              Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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              • Originally posted by Strawman View Post
                So you believe, if I have this correct Pauly, that your guy Alderson should not have his own thread on BBF - to discuss his performance - even though he's the GM of the Mets and every GM and Manager since this puppy was fired up has "enjoyed" multiple threads, each filled with plenty of criticism.

                Why does Alderson get (or deserve in any way) this suggested immunity?

                It's no secret that I find his performance lacking and his personality a terrible fit for the Mets, in this town, at this time. So what? A lot of guys didn't like Steve Phillips and Omar Minaya.
                As usual you dont have it correct. I dont care if Alderson has a thread to discuss performance, but it has to be relative to financial constraints.

                Where your really lose it is that you have compared Alderson to Minaya when Minaya had the keys to the kingdom (built on stolen money but nonetheless). Alderson was sent here to cut payroll in half.

                I have been reading for two months about what a bad job Alderson did with the pen and trades need to be made, but I still havent seen a proposal for any trades.

                Do you really think the Mets are going to get Street with what they have to offer when other teams can put a better package together? No they wont. They Mets will get more secondary pen arms.....like they did over the winter.

                At this point it doesnt matter its all over but the crying.

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                • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
                  I would trade Johan Santana right now, yes today if possible, for whatever they could get. Yes, he threw THE no hitter, but he has not been the same since that day. Is he damaged goods? Let's not find out. Send him to any team willing to eat that salary. $25 million could go a long way in the off season.:flow:

                  I am 100% serious....Johan may be damaged goods and any team that took his salary would be taking a chance....but better that chance than the Mets finding out in 2-3 weeks that he really is hurt.

                  I would do the same, but I can't see any one taking on the entire contract

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                  • Originally posted by ribant View Post
                    I would do the same, but I can't see any one taking on the entire contract
                    I was cheering as loud as anyone when they left him in to get the no hitter ! And I admit I would have been screaming if they took him out.

                    But now I am wondering if he hurt his arm. Looking at one report of his contract

                    the new agreement calls for the Mets to give him a salary bump this season of $7 million and then pay him $130.5 million - about $23 million annually - over the following six years. The Mets have an $18.75 million option for the 2014 season with a $5.5 million buyout.

                    So maybe there would be a buyer? I would hate to have another Jason Bay contract sitting on the DL. h

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                    • Originally posted by ribant View Post
                      I would do the same, but I can't see any one taking on the entire contract
                      Regardless the Mets were going to eat some contract, it was just a matter of how much.

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                      • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
                        I would trade Johan Santana right now, yes today if possible, for whatever they could get. Yes, he threw THE no hitter, but he has not been the same since that day. Is he damaged goods? Let's not find out. Send him to any team willing to eat that salary. $25 million could go a long way in the off season.:flow:

                        I am 100% serious....Johan may be damaged goods and any team that took his salary would be taking a chance....but better that chance than the Mets finding out in 2-3 weeks that he really is hurt.
                        I would do the same but chances of finding someone to eat his salary are very slim. By the time he gets back and can prove he is healthy the trading deadline will be over. The best thing that could happen to the Mets would be for Santana to pitch well for the remainder of the season and the Mets to trade him in the offseason which would free up money for other contracts. On the other hand, when healthy, Santana is a proven ace, thats not easy to find. Who knows what will be available next year. I think the Mets will try to unload him but in the end he will pitch out his contract and be a free agent in 2014. Hopefully some of the young pitchers in 2013 can learn from his work ethic and determination, he is a good guy to have around young pitchers.

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                        • I'm probably the biggest Alderson detractor here - haven't liked him from the start, thought he was brought in to 1. cut and 2. lie to the fans as he was cutting.

                          But I have to say even I'm surprised by his shocking disappearing act here in mid-summer 2012 - where the heck is Sandy??!!

                          The Mets were factually in contention. They needed new bullpen arms - again, not Mo Rivera just a change in the hopes they could improve on the worst bullpen in MLB. This was supposed to be his moment - show us that veteran leadership and expertise.

                          And.....nothing. I'm actually surprised.
                          Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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                          • There are almost thirty other teams doing the same as Alderson, playing the hand he has, you are not going to get a panic move for the sake of doing something.

                            Not like they are not in games or one winning streak does not put them right back in mix.

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                            • Originally posted by Strawman View Post
                              I'm probably the biggest Alderson detractor here - haven't liked him from the start, thought he was brought in to 1. cut and 2. lie to the fans as he was cutting.

                              But I have to say even I'm surprised by his shocking disappearing act here in mid-summer 2012 - where the heck is Sandy??!!

                              The Mets were factually in contention. They needed new bullpen arms - again, not Mo Rivera just a change in the hopes they could improve on the worst bullpen in MLB. This was supposed to be his moment - show us that veteran leadership and expertise.

                              And.....nothing. I'm actually surprised.
                              Two things

                              1) nobody is selling just yet because they dont know where they stand given the extra wild card. Except for a few teams....which of course now includes the Mets

                              2) Thankfully he didnt. This team was a fraudelent contender. Imagine wasting picks or something of value to get two bullpen arms for this bunch. Sometimes the best moves are the ones you dont make.

                              Now hopefully we can get back to the real goal and do something about 2013 and forward. This phoney contender act has been a speed bump.

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                              • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                                Two things

                                1) nobody is selling just yet because they dont know where they stand given the extra wild card. Except for a few teams....which of course now includes the Mets

                                2) Thankfully he didnt. This team was a fraudelent contender. Imagine wasting picks or something of value to get two bullpen arms for this bunch. Sometimes the best moves are the ones you dont make.

                                Now hopefully we can get back to the real goal and do something about 2013 and forward. This phoney contender act has been a speed bump.
                                That's not fair. You can like or dislike the team all you like but a team in solid contention for over three and a half months that's been in many of these very tough losses has not been a phony contender.

                                It's still also not easy to fall out of contention, even where they stand right now.

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