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  • Paulypal
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    Originally posted by GordonGecko View Post
    There is literally no other GM on this earth that would act differently if hired by the Mets. That's the reality of the crappy situation we are in. It's not an Alderson problem, it's a Wilpon problem
    Dont even bother...this is going on for 14 months. The anti-Alderson thing is old and crusty. Its just a yawner at this point.

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  • mandrake
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    Originally posted by Strawman View Post
    This from a Star-Ledger writer who says he still likes Alderson - he nails it.



    Exactly right. His credibility is shot. A year ago Alderson was heralded as a savior, the man who could overturn the mistakes of the Minaya years. Now he's just a chop shop operator, like the fellows across the street from his office.
    Nearly half of the team payroll is tied up in a pitcher who last pitched in MLB in Sep 2010 and an outfielder that seems to have something wrong with him. Santana and Bay are getting 43 million dollars between them. If somehow Sandy can find someone to take them, the Mets will have a payroll of under $50 million. If Wright was traded...what actually is the record for lowest MLB payroll this decade?

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  • GordonGecko
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    Originally posted by Strawman View Post
    This from a Star-Ledger writer who says he still likes Alderson - he nails it.
    Exactly right. His credibility is shot. A year ago Alderson was heralded as a savior, the man who could overturn the mistakes of the Minaya years. Now he's just a chop shop operator, like the fellows across the street from his office.
    There is literally no other GM on this earth that would act differently if hired by the Mets. That's the reality of the crappy situation we are in. It's not an Alderson problem, it's a Wilpon problem

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  • Strawman
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    This from a Star-Ledger writer who says he still likes Alderson - he nails it.

    Last offseason, Alderson intimated that the 2012 payroll would be similar to the 2011 payroll (2011 payroll was approximately 145 million dollars). This projection was encouragng to Met fans who expected Alderson to have approximately 40 million dollars to play with after the Castillo, Perez, Beltran and K-Rod contracts expired.

    In May Alderson told us the 2012 payroll would be in the 120 million dollar range. In September we were told the payroll would be in the 105 million dollar neighborhood, no lower.
    Now we are told that the Mets are done for this offseason and the payroll is expected to come in at around 90 million dollars, a drop of nearly 50 million dollars from what we were told to expect one year ago. Fred Wilpon recently made it clear that he will steer this sinking ship to the bottom of the ocean before he would even contemplate selling it to a competent captain.

    If the Wilpons figure out a way to escape bankruptcy, we will see low payrolls for the foreseeable future as this financial death spiral spins out of control.

    I trust Sandy Alderson, I do NOT trust the Wilpons. But Alderson's honeymoon period is over and his credibility has been severely damaged with the ever-changing payroll projections.

    [snip]

    Sorry to inform you Sandy ... your credibility is shot and nobody believes that (including you).
    Exactly right. His credibility is shot. A year ago Alderson was heralded as a savior, the man who could overturn the mistakes of the Minaya years. Now he's just a chop shop operator, like the fellows across the street from his office.

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  • Paulypal
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    Originally posted by Strawman View Post
    Bill Madden's summary of the winter work of our "all-star front office" - remember how they cheered!!?? - in today's Daily News:



    Moneyball baby. Live it. The Alderson Era indeed.
    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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  • Strawman
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    Bill Madden's summary of the winter work of our "all-star front office" - remember how they cheered!!?? - in today's Daily News:

    In contrast to the Yankees’ late but spectacular plunge into the marketplace, the Mets have spent the winter essentially collecting garbage, all in the name of shedding payroll, while watching their NL East rivals, specifically the Miami Marlins and Washington Nationals, get considerably better.
    Moneyball baby. Live it. The Alderson Era indeed.

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  • GordonGecko
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    And then nobody wants to sign here unless you're Jason Bay and the Mets are offering to overpay you millions more than the next offer. And now the Mets don't have that extra money anymore, so what name brand player is going to want to play here? Nobody is going sign for the Mets, Alderson will have to do everything through trades and even then he doesn't have much to offer. Oh and Santana is as good as gone after his first 3 game win streak

    The dark ages are upon us

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  • Strawman
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    From that NYMag post by an "unnamed Met" - a crushing indictment of Alderson's front office:

    I feel bad for the fans because they deserve so much better. But I also feel bad for some of the guys who’ve gotten a raw deal. That’s one thing I can say about the front office—they don’t show a lot of loyalty.

    Look at what happened to Mookie Wilson: He just got fired. Mookie went to the wall for the organization, but they still canned him. Look at Ken Oberkfell. Guy puts in twelve years with the organization; next thing you know, he’s been fired. No explanation. Those are the little things that tell you what direction a team is going in. People around the game hear about this stuff. They talk about it: “What’s happening to the Mets?”
    http://nymag.com/news/features/insiders/mets-2012/

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  • AJbaseball00024
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    Originally posted by Strawman View Post
    Please. The Madoff story broke in December 2008. He was sentenced in June 2009. By then, the Wilpons' involvement had been well-documented. The Picard lawsuit was filed in December, 2010 but had been talked about as likely for many months before that. Alderson was hired in late October, 2010 - out of Bud Selig's office, the same office that a couple of weeks later loaned the Mets $25M to help them make payroll. Alderson knew exactly what he was getting into - because what he was getting into was the very reason Selig pushed Alderson on the hapless Wilpons. He's merely executing on his plan to break the Mets down, Oakland-style.
    As I said before, he has to fix this team because his boss has completely destroyed it. I am sure he would love to spend money on his team. The problem is that his boss HAS NO MONEY BECAUSE HIS BOSS WAS DUMB ENOUGH AND GREEDY ENOUGH TO INVEST THE TEAM'S MONEY WITH THE BIGGEST CROOK IN WORLD HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Paulypal
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    Originally posted by Strawman View Post
    Please. The Madoff story broke in December 2008. He was sentenced in June 2009. By then, the Wilpons' involvement had been well-documented. The Picard lawsuit was filed in December, 2010 but had been talked about as likely for many months before that. Alderson was hired in late October, 2010 - out of Bud Selig's office, the same office that a couple of weeks later loaned the Mets $25M to help them make payroll. Alderson knew exactly what he was getting into - because what he was getting into was the very reason Selig pushed Alderson on the hapless Wilpons. He's merely executing on his plan to break the Mets down, Oakland-style.
    Then he is doing his job well. Good for him. None of this is his fault. He didnt create the Madoff scandal...he is dealing with it as per Selig.

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  • Strawman
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    Originally posted by AJbaseball00024 View Post
    You completely stole my thunder. You are so right. Alderson is dealing with a situation that was handed to him by perhaps baseball's most incompetent owners.
    Please. The Madoff story broke in December 2008. He was sentenced in June 2009. By then, the Wilpons' involvement had been well-documented. The Picard lawsuit was filed in December, 2010 but had been talked about as likely for many months before that. Alderson was hired in late October, 2010 - out of Bud Selig's office, the same office that a couple of weeks later loaned the Mets $25M to help them make payroll. Alderson knew exactly what he was getting into - because what he was getting into was the very reason Selig pushed Alderson on the hapless Wilpons. He's merely executing on his plan to break the Mets down, Oakland-style.

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  • AJbaseball00024
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    Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
    Ahhh ...gone for a few days but nothing has changed. Selecetive memory strikes again.

    When everyone was excited about Alderson coming here it was before we all knew the full impact of the Madoff issue on the Wilpons.
    You completely stole my thunder. You are so right. Alderson is dealing with a situation that was handed to him by perhaps baseball's most incompetent owners.

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  • Paulypal
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    Originally posted by Strawman View Post
    Sad but accurate post on the great Metzmerized blog (a really critical fan's site):



    I remember well the sheer joy and predictions of the "Alderson Era" here on BBF, before it became clear Alderson was brought in to dismantle the Mets as a major market team. Anyway, here's Metsmerized's top ten Mets stories of 2011 - not much happiness but good reading:

    http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12...s-of-2011.html
    Ahhh ...gone for a few days but nothing has changed. Selecetive memory strikes again.

    When everyone was excited about Alderson coming here it was before we all knew the full impact of the Madoff issue on the Wilpons.

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  • Strawman
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    Sad but accurate post on the great Metzmerized blog (a really critical fan's site):

    The year was the first under the Sandy Alderson-Terry Collins regime, which was supposed to represent a change in the franchise’s culture and downward spiral.

    It did not.
    I remember well the sheer joy and predictions of the "Alderson Era" here on BBF, before it became clear Alderson was brought in to dismantle the Mets as a major market team. Anyway, here's Metsmerized's top ten Mets stories of 2011 - not much happiness but good reading:

    http://metsmerizedonline.com/2011/12...s-of-2011.html

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  • Paulypal
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    Originally posted by Strawman View Post
    Nah, Alderson is a real and visible symptom of the overall disease. I loved this comment on the Daily News story:Surely, Sandy, you jest. What the heck are you going to do to him? Trade him? Release him? You may be doing him a favor. Why don't you be a real GM and do something to improve this team enough so the Wilcraps can sell the team and get a real owner in NYC.
    Think about how ridiculous that statement is. Nah dont...you already know how stupid it is.

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