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  • #16
    Originally posted by milladrive View Post
    I too think the RR is appropriate for a New York National League ballpark. No, he didn't play for the Mets, and yes, the Wilpons would rather own the Brooklyn Dodgers than the New York Mets, but I think all MLB teams should honor Robinson in some way, other than having his number dictatorially retired by all teams. And, imo, no place is more appropriate than in a New York National League ballpark.

    And I dunno, I kinda like the big 4-2. My dad does, too.

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    JR is honored by having his number retired in every park. If the Mets had a real owner and a history to be proud of there would be no Jr rotunda- NY NL team or not. In my opinion it's a politically correct diversion by a piss-poor owner.

    Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I get what JR did and how important it was to baseball and the country as a whole. I get it. I just don't feel it's necessary.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
      JR is honored by having his number retired in every park. If the Mets had a real owner and a history to be proud of there would be no Jr rotunda- NY NL team or not. In my opinion it's a politically correct diversion by a piss-poor owner.

      Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I get what JR did and how important it was to baseball and the country as a whole. I get it. I just don't feel it's necessary.
      Actually it's bold and politically incorrect, among Mets fans! Bravo to the Wilpons! (And you never hear that from me....) - and you know, it's specifically New York and National League. This ain't Tampa, where the out-of-towners who own the Bronx team live. I think it's appropriate. I give 'em credit. My kids dig it. Plus Milla's dad looks great - Milla, what're you like 15?
      Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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      • #18
        I like the Jackie Robinson Rotunda...it adds a touch of class...

        I'd have been happy if they'd named it "Jackie Robinson Field," and then have everything INSIDE the stadium be Mets-i-fied.

        But that should've been the ONLY reference to the Brooklyn Dodgers.

        As for the history of the team:

        I'd rank the teams in 5 Tiers, 6 teams a tier:

        1st Tier Teams, the Crown Jewel Six:
        Yankees
        Red Sox
        Dodgers
        Giants
        Cubs
        Cardinals

        2nd Tier:
        Athletics
        Braves
        Pirates
        Tigers
        Reds
        Phillies

        3nd Tier:
        Mets
        Orioles
        White Sox
        Angels
        Twins
        Indians

        4th Tier. in no particular order:
        Blue Jays
        Astros
        Mariners
        Marlins
        Royals
        Brewers

        5th Tier:
        Diamondbacks
        Rays
        Padres
        Nationals
        Rangers
        Rockies

        Just a rough sketch of my view, at least, of the league, taking into account WS wins and pennants and playoff wins and memorable moments and players and fields and broadcasters and so on...

        So I see the Mets as a 3rd-Tier team out of 5...

        And I think the Orioles, White Sox, Angels, Twins, and Indians are comparable; the Mets have 2 WS wins, so do the Twins (3 including the Senators) and the Angels have 1...the Angels have had more recent postseason success, while the Mets have more HOFers (1, 2 with Piazza coming up, to the Angels' 0) and so on.

        I'm just saying...those six compare "fairly" to one another, better to, say, the Yankees or Dodgers.

        Similarly, all 6 3rd-Tier teams are better historically overall than, say, the Padres.
        "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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        • #19
          Interesting that a team with no WS titles in over 100 years is in the first tier. They belong in the bottom half, unless you are referring to fan support. I'd rank the Orioles (absolute powerhouse in late 60's-70's) Marlins (2 titles in 15 years), and Blue Jays (2 titles, only Canadian team) historically ahead of teams like the Phillies (first 90 years), Indians (last 60 years) and Pirates (last 20 years). Just my OP.
          unknown brooklyn cabbie " how are the brooks doin"
          unknown fan "good they got three men on base"
          unknown brooklyn cabbie "which one?"

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          • #20
            I DO count fan support and HOFers and how memorable and iconic the teams, players, managers, fields, broadcasters, etc. for a franchise are...

            Hence my keeping the Cubs in the Crown Jewel Six.

            The Pirates, over 100+ years, have had a terrible last 20, but before that, they've really had some of the best teams, players, and moments, and 5 WS wins...

            So they beat out the Marlins/Blue Jays/Orioles for me; Orioles have had a Pirates-like decline the last 15+ years, but as they were poor for a long stetch BEFORE the 1960s (as the Browns) I put the Pirates ahead again.

            More HOFers and WS titles put the Pirates over the Blue Jays and Marlins, as well.

            The Indians I wasn't sure of where to place, they could very will swap with the Blue Jays.

            The Marlins I rank lower because of the youth of their franchise, 2 WS titles help, hence they're being promoted to the 4th Tier, but still...

            And I wasn't sure what to do about the Phillies--#1 in losses in MLB history, I believe, and yet, aren't they more iconic and have had more success than the Blue Jays?

            Wasn't sure, really, the 3rd Tier could easily be made up of 8 rather than 6, promoting the Blue Jays and demoting the Phillies (the Mets remaining just in the middle, really, they ARE the epitome of a 3rd-Tier, "good-but-not-glorious" team...but I'll take that easily over the teams I ranked below them any day, with the exception, perhaps, as said, of the Blue Jays.)
            "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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            • #21
              Someone on Vimeo made this. This is not bad.

              The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Shea Knight View Post
                I like the Jackie Robinson Rotunda...it adds a touch of class...

                I'd have been happy if they'd named it "Jackie Robinson Field," and then have everything INSIDE the stadium be Mets-i-fied.

                But that should've been the ONLY reference to the Brooklyn Dodgers.

                As for the history of the team:

                I'd rank the teams in 5 Tiers, 6 teams a tier:

                1st Tier Teams, the Crown Jewel Six:
                Yankees
                Red Sox
                Dodgers
                Giants
                Cubs
                Cardinals

                2nd Tier:
                Athletics
                Braves
                Pirates
                Tigers
                Reds
                Phillies

                3nd Tier:
                Mets
                Orioles
                White Sox
                Angels
                Twins
                Indians

                4th Tier. in no particular order:
                Blue Jays
                Astros
                Mariners
                Marlins
                Royals
                Brewers

                5th Tier:
                Diamondbacks
                Rays
                Padres
                Nationals
                Rangers
                Rockies

                Just a rough sketch of my view, at least, of the league, taking into account WS wins and pennants and playoff wins and memorable moments and players and fields and broadcasters and so on...

                So I see the Mets as a 3rd-Tier team out of 5...

                And I think the Orioles, White Sox, Angels, Twins, and Indians are comparable; the Mets have 2 WS wins, so do the Twins (3 including the Senators) and the Angels have 1...the Angels have had more recent postseason success, while the Mets have more HOFers (1, 2 with Piazza coming up, to the Angels' 0) and so on.

                I'm just saying...those six compare "fairly" to one another, better to, say, the Yankees or Dodgers.

                Similarly, all 6 3rd-Tier teams are better historically overall than, say, the Padres.
                I guess it all depends on how you look at it. If you add market place into the equation its sort of unfair to have the Mets in the same catergory as the Twins, Indians, Orioles - or just about any other team for that matter.

                You are trying very hard to make the Mets as a less than disappointing franchise. You cant. They are a losing organization. I dont like it either but that is a the plain simple fact. You can catergorize away they just arent very good.

                If you count the last few years some of your catergory 6 teams are climbing the ladder.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Strawman View Post
                  Actually it's bold and politically incorrect, among Mets fans! Bravo to the Wilpons! (And you never hear that from me....) - and you know, it's specifically New York and National League. This ain't Tampa, where the out-of-towners who own the Bronx team live. I think it's appropriate. I give 'em credit. My kids dig it. Plus Milla's dad looks great - Milla, what're you like 15?
                  lol, I wish!! But my dad thanks you. That was taken two years ago on his 69th birthday. Plus, he's in such good shape, he still goes out sailing, and often joins in "bikathons" in the mountains of Arizona (we're talkin' anywhere from 20 to 100 miles). And here I am needing to lose 30 pounds, heh.

                  Sorry for the digression.
                  Put it in the books.

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                  • #24
                    I'm not sure what they are not doing? Long ago the Mets had old timers day.

                    People started accusing them of doing it only to sell tickets, when they stopped they are told they are indifferent to history?

                    Can't win.

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