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    Ruben Tejada doing all the little things right in fast start

    That mid-March episode seemed long ago last night as Tejada once again made exactly the type of contributions Collins envisioned in helping the Mets win another close game.
    Batting in the leadoff spot, Tejada worked a walk in his first at-bat. He slapped a double to right in his third at-bat. In the field, he handled all his chances flawlessly.

    And, as the Mets rallied for a run in the bottom of the ninth inning against the Nationals’ hard-throwing closer Henry Rodriguez, Tejada laid down a sacrifice bunt with two strikes that helped set up the winning run.

    It was a clinic in the “little things” Collins has been pounding into this club since the third week in February. Playing the game hard is not going to be enough, the manager has said repeatedly. Playing the game right is going to be what gives this team a chance.
    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/201...doing_all.html


    NY Mets' Ruben Tejada shows he is in for the long stay at shortstop

    All of that notwithstanding, nobody has been more impressive or vital to the Mets’ early play than Tejada. Already he has practically removed all doubt about his ability to replace Reyes in rather seamless fashion.

    Obviously he’s not as dynamic as Reyes, but all you have to do is watch him to know he’s a winning player. He can make all the plays at shortstop, make them smoothly, and he has great instincts for the game on offense as well as defense.

    “He just knows how to play the game,’’ Collins said in the hallway outside his office after his postgame press conference. “I love the way he plays. When I got on him back in spring training, I wasn’t really (ticked) at him, I just wanted him to understand how important he was to this team, how important it was that we were all going to do this together this season.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...#ixzz1rfIWF0h9


    He's proving every day that it was the right move by the front office not to over pay for Reyes. He's not going to steal 30-40 bases or hit 10+ triples but he is a more heady player than Reyes and he's shown over the course of 400 ab's so far that he can hit for a good average and have a good OBP. Dollar for dollar, Alderson and Co. made the right move.

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    Jose
    22 PAs, 3 Ks, 0 BBs, 318/318/500

    Ruben
    18 PAs, 1 K, 3 BBs, 357/471/571

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ralf View Post
      Jose
      22 PAs, 3 Ks, 0 BBs, 318/318/500

      Ruben
      18 PAs, 1 K, 3 BBs, 357/471/571
      Ok they shouldnt have overpaid for Jose..I agree, but lets use a little common sense here. Jose is a better player, and it shouldnt even have to be mentioned. Your giving stats after 22 pa's? Really?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
        Ok they shouldnt have overpaid for Jose..I agree, but lets use a little common sense here. Jose is a better player, and it shouldnt even have to be mentioned. Your giving stats after 22 pa's? Really?
        Relax, this will be a cumulative thread I plan on updating every week. Its more than likely Jose will have better cumulative numbers at the end of the year but I think the thread will prove the point that his cost in relation to production was a bridge too far.

        Also, the argument has always been lost on some (not saying you) that the Mets never wanted to bring back Jose. Of course they did but he was essentially holding them ransom with his exorbitant salary demands. He's not worth $18m a year. I would argue, over the life of his 6 year deal, $12m/year would be more reasonable. That being said, he is gone and the FO made the right decision, dollar for dollar, to play Ruben every day. I for one look forward to him having a long, productive career for the Mets. He's lightyears ahead of Jose (at the same age) in terms of understanding the game.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ralf View Post
          Relax, this will be a cumulative thread I plan on updating every week. Its more than likely Jose will have better cumulative numbers at the end of the year but I think the thread will prove the point that his cost in relation to production was a bridge too far.

          Also, the argument has always been lost on some (not saying you) that the Mets never wanted to bring back Jose. Of course they did but he was essentially holding them ransom with his exorbitant salary demands. He's not worth $18m a year. I would argue, over the life of his 6 year deal, $12m/year would be more reasonable. That being said, he is gone and the FO made the right decision, dollar for dollar, to play Ruben every day. I for one look forward to him having a long, productive career for the Mets. He's lightyears ahead of Jose (at the same age) in terms of understanding the game.
          I agree with you 100% I wouldnt have spent nearly what the Marlins did for Reyes. As far as your assessment of Tejada - I think you over stating it. I hope not, but I believe you are. Tejada can understand the game all he wants - he isnt going to be the player Reyes is. Its not a crime, not many SS's are.

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          • #6
            Tejada is half the shortstop Reyes is, perhaps less - but the Marlins are paying Reyes $10M this year and the Mets are paying Tejada $494,000. It's all part of the big savings plan, cutting the Mets down to size.

            Of course, I would have at least offered Jose a competitive contract or better yet, have tried to extend him the year before. Such is life in Wilpon land.
            Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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            • #7
              Jeff Wilpon is that you? Tejada couldnt hold Reyes' jock. Of course Tejada's cheaper, he also will never be an all-star.
              unknown brooklyn cabbie " how are the brooks doin"
              unknown fan "good they got three men on base"
              unknown brooklyn cabbie "which one?"

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              • #8
                If scratch a little and look beyond the 3B and SB and raw speed, which is admittedly a lot to ignore, Tejada in a very limited career is a fair match for Jose. Like Jose he came up very young. Jose also is I hate to say it a league average SS defensively and last years .360 OBP by Tejada in almost 400 PA was only bettered by Reyes once. Now the meager .320 something slugging percentage from last year by Tejada is where Reyes with his pop and speed sets himself apart.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                  If scratch a little and look beyond the 3B and SB and raw speed, which is admittedly a lot to ignore, Tejada in a very limited career is a fair match for Jose. Like Jose he came up very young. Jose also is I hate to say it a league average SS defensively and last years .360 OBP by Tejada in almost 400 PA was only bettered by Reyes once. Now the meager .320 something slugging percentage from last year by Tejada is where Reyes with his pop and speed sets himself apart.
                  If you scratch even more and ignore just a little lack of power Tejada is a dead ringer for Babe Ruth.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                    If you scratch even more and ignore just a little lack of power Tejada is a dead ringer for Babe Ruth.
                    Actually the point was Jose just isn't the God he's made out to be. He has/had a very exciting skill, namely speed, could hit for a good average and had some pop for a SS, but was nothing special on defense. That's all.

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                    • #11
                      Another solid night for Ruben. Kid's got 5 doubles in 8 games. He's becoming one of my favorite Mets.

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                      • #12
                        I still think he's a fringe starter for a .500 (or less) team. I can't see Tejada starting for a championship squad.

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                        • #13
                          It appears that everyone commenting on Jose's contract negs is ignoring the fact that Jose missed a whole lot of time between being an All-Star. That seems to have had a lot to do with how much the Mets felt they could commit to him. The most interesting stat to follow may very well be PA's.

                          Originally posted by CokeMachineGlow View Post
                          I still think he's a fringe starter for a .500 (or less) team. I can't see Tejada starting for a championship squad.
                          I definitely see what you're saying, but in this short start of the season, where none of the fatigue or anything else that happens in baseball has happened, Tejada and Murphy are proving to be a very nice 1-2 in the lineup, especially when a good bat, like Wright right now, is behind them.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CokeMachineGlow View Post
                            I still think he's a fringe starter for a .500 (or less) team. I can't see Tejada starting for a championship squad.
                            I see people writing this and I have no idea what they are talking about. What does that even mean? I can't for the life of me figure out how you can single out one player in a certain position and claim that he would not be on a championship team. Its illogical imo. Last year the Cardinals won the world series with an awful Furcal. I've seen the DBacks win with Tony Womack at short, and the Cardinals and Angels win with David Eckstein at SS who is not nearly the defensive player Ruben is and put up pedestrian offensive numbers. So please.....

                            All I've seen from Ruben so far is a damn smart baseball player (smarter than Reyes at the same age) who handles his position very well and makes good contact with the bat.

                            Anyway, Terry's thoughts on Ruben's good start:

                            “We knew the kind of player we had. We knew this kid was a very, very good shortstop. Catches the ball, he’s got a great arm. You always wonder, in his second full year, people start to see how he’s going to hit, but he’s handled himself great. He’s getting good balls, getting good pitches to hit, working some counts, getting deep into some counts for the other guys on the team – he’s a good player.”

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                            • #15
                              Ruben
                              35 PA, 4 R, 10 H, 5 2B, 3 RBI, 0 SB, 0 CS, 4 BB, 1 K, 333/412/500, 160 OPS+

                              Jose
                              39 PA, 4 R, 9 H, 3 2B, 1 3B, 1 RBI, 3 SB, 2 CS, 2 BB, 4 K, 243/282/378, 85 OPS+

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