Which of this horrid pitching staff do you want to see back next year?

[Cowtipper]

I think Dickey, Niese, Gee and Young could form a formidable 1-2-3-4, so I think those four would do us well to keep. I'd give the number five spot to a kid like Harvey or Wheeler. Jeremy Hefner isn't stellar, but he fills two roles, starter and reliever, with equal inadequacy, so at least he's consistent. Let's keep him too. I think the Mets should perhaps give Justin Hampson a little bit longer of a look, as he's been in their system since 2011 and has pitched well wherever he's gone.

Notice how I left out Santana. I think his ship has sailed (an opinion I've actually held since before this season began). Everyone else can go, too.

What say you?

[theAmazingMet]

I think Brydak is the only servicable reliever besides Francisco, but Francisco will want to close, and he's just not good enough to close on a real contender. The rest of the bullpen is mediocre at its very best, horrible most of the time. It needs to be torn up and dealt with this off season.

[Ben Grimm]

I'm wondering if Johan's simply tired since he didn't pitch at all last year. He's good enough that he can bounce back and pitch next year like he did the first couple of months this year. IIRC, he's still due $30M+ to pitch in 2013, so that's a tough contract to move IMO.

Dickey's a great story, and this year likely is an outlier. But he's pitched well enough the past two seasons that he may not decline too badly next season. Niese is solid and has a very team-friendly contract. Pelfrey's all over the place. Never know what you're going to get from him year to year. And Chris Young's initials should be DL - but solid when he's healthy. But being that his 56 IP is his highest since 2009, he can't be counted on to even make it out of ST next year. Alot could depend how Harvey looks going forward too.

I think the Mets are better off next year hoping Johan can provide $12M worth of pitching as opposed to eating that much (or more) for another team to take him.

[LostMet]

I'm wondering if Johan's simply tired since he didn't pitch at all last year. He's good enough that he can bounce back and pitch next year like he did the first couple of months this year. IIRC, he's still due $30M+ to pitch in 2013, so that's a tough contract to move IMO.

Dickey's a great story, and this year likely is an outlier. But he's pitched well enough the past two seasons that he may not decline too badly next season. Niese is solid and has a very team-friendly contract. Pelfrey's all over the place. Never know what you're going to get from him year to year. And Chris Young's initials should be DL - but solid when he's healthy. But being that his 56 IP is his highest since 2009, he can't be counted on to even make it out of ST next year. Alot could depend how Harvey looks going forward too.

I think the Mets are better off next year hoping Johan can provide $12M worth of pitching as opposed to eating that much (or more) for another team to take him.

I would keep Dickey. The rest are open to be moved. Niese is a number 4 on a good team. Gee doesn't pitch on a good team. Santana is a fighter but how much does he have left? Young is a 6 inning guy. then he blows up and he is hurt all the time.

We need pitches who can throw strikes. Today, through 5, Strasburg has throw 58 pitches, Hefner 105 through 5.2 innings when I checked. Harvey has control issues, Wheeler seems to be ok, and the rest we will see. They need to find a solid number 1 or 2 through trade or FA. Alderson needs a complete redo on the pen. His priority last year...what a joke.

[Ben Grimm]

I would keep Dickey. The rest are open to be moved. Niese is a number 4 on a good team. Gee doesn't pitch on a good team. Santana is a fighter but how much does he have left? Young is a 6 inning guy. then he blows up and he is hurt all the time.

We need pitches who can throw strikes. Today, through 5, Strasburg has throw 58 pitches, Hefner 105 through 5.2 innings when I checked. Harvey has control issues, Wheeler seems to be ok, and the rest we will see. They need to find a solid number 1 or 2 through trade or FA. Alderson needs a complete redo on the pen. His priority last year...what a joke.

True. A proven front line starter would be huge for the Mets.

I was mentioning in a different thread that because Texas and the Angels are so strong, I don't think Seattle can realistically contend in that division for at least 2-3 years. That would be just as Felix Hernandez's contract expires, and I'm sure he'd like to go to a team that can maybe spend more money or hit a larger market to gain some exposure. I think the Mariners would be best off moving him for a haul.

I'm not sure what NY has in terms of prospects, but I'm sure it would have to start with Wheeler and Flores in a deal. But with Santana & Bay's contracts coming off the books after 2013, extending Wright and getting (and then extending) Felix would be a nice start moving forward.

[Strawman]

Dickey. That's it.
The rest can go.

[Ralf]

Count on a rotation of Santana, Dickey, Neise, Gee, and Harvey next year.

[Blue387]

1. Should the Mets bring back Mike Pelfrey? I would prefer to non-tender him.
2. Are there any good free agent options?
3. Fire Dan Warthen.

[Paulypal]

Dickey. That's it.
The rest can go.

I agree, and if we want a good team Dickey is a 3.

[Strawman]

I agree, and if we want a good team Dickey is a 3.

Yeah, he's a good three too - versatile, huge contrast to your fireballers in 3-game series, innings eater, semi-stopper, can swing the bat, field his position, always competes - I like him at 3 on a winning team quite a bit. Too bad for RA he's stuck with us!

[Shea Knight]

Given how little money we have to buy new pitching with...

I'd keep Santana/Dickey/Niese/Gee, for a mixture of their being decent/good and/or (for a couple of them) being relatively cheap, and then if Matt Harvey does well, he can be there as well.

The bullpen?

Anything goes...AnyONE goes, as far as I'm concerned.

(Niese, Dickey, Gee and Harvey probably will all be back...Santana seems to be petering out, but we paid for him, might as well pitch him, I'd be surprised if another team wanted him at this point after his fastball's dropped off so much and he's been injured so much...so again--starters keep, bullpen flush.)

[Strawman]

What's going to happen here - and frankly, is painfully obvious - is that Harvey and Wheeler will not be Seaver and Gooden. The fans who still buy the "rebuilding" line being sold by the Wilpons are putting way too much stock in these two arms. Young pitchers not named Strasburg are a crapshoot, and even when they're great they get hurt.

If the Wilpons were running a real baseball operation, they'd be trying to acquire some frontline pitching - but they're still selling the next Generation K.

[CokeMachineGlow]

What's going to happen here - and frankly, is painfully obvious - is that Harvey and Wheeler will not be Seaver and Gooden. The fans who still buy the "rebuilding" line being sold by the Wilpons are putting way too much stock in these two arms. Young pitchers not named Strasburg are a crapshoot, and even when they're great they get hurt.

If the Wilpons were running a real baseball operation, they'd be trying to acquire some frontline pitching - but they're still selling the next Generation K.

I agree somewhat with your sentiment here.

As much as I love Harvey and Wheeler, pitchers have the tendency of falling flat due to the automatic injury risk that comes with every pitcher.

I think you're a little harsh on Harvey and Wheeler, though.

[Shea Knight]

1. Should the Mets bring back Mike Pelfrey? I would prefer to non-tender him.
2. Are there any good free agent options?
3. Fire Dan Warthen.

I agree, and if we want a good team Dickey is a 3.

What's going to happen here - and frankly, is painfully obvious - is that Harvey and Wheeler will not be Seaver and Gooden. The fans who still buy the "rebuilding" line being sold by the Wilpons are putting way too much stock in these two arms. Young pitchers not named Strasburg are a crapshoot, and even when they're great they get hurt.

If the Wilpons were running a real baseball operation, they'd be trying to acquire some frontline pitching - but they're still selling the next Generation K.

I don't think anyone here was expecting a Seaver or Gooden out of them.

I expect solid pitchers, nothing more.

[Shea Knight]

...I think I meant to just quote Strawman there and brought the other two of you along for the ride by mistake...

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