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  • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
    We still don't know what Matt Harvey is going to be.

    Maybe it is it right now...maybe he wins 4 Cy Youngs in the next 5 years. We don't know.
    I agree; but he could be someone like Nolan Ryan who needs a change of scenery. While I feel sorry for him, he did bring most of it on himself.

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    • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
      We still don't know what Matt Harvey is going to be.

      Maybe it is it right now...maybe he wins 4 Cy Youngs in the next 5 years. We don't know.
      That's a throwaway type response, though. You can project based on past pitcher performances.

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      • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
        We still don't know what Matt Harvey is going to be.

        Maybe it is it right now...maybe he wins 4 Cy Youngs in the next 5 years. We don't know.
        That's a throwaway type response, though. You can project based on past pitcher performances.

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        • Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
          While Harvey's slump is disappointing,it is somewhat humorous how people are seriously thinking this is 'it' for his career. Just as Daniel Murphy's high slash line will not last forever, this slump will not last forever. The Steve Blasses of the world are very rare. Harvey may never again be the pitcher we saw a few years ago, but he also won't be this pitcher into the future, either. He'll probably end up one of those guys who wins 10-15 games a year with a 3.50-3.90 ERA for the next 10 years, with a couple All-Star quality seasons thrown in. A Ron Darling or Sid Fernandez or something.
          Steve Blass never really showed the brilliance as Harvey did. Blass had a great year in 1968, when many pitchers had career seasons. He also came up huge in the 1971 WS when the Pirates beat a team with 4 twenty game winners (debunking the myth that great pitching beats great hitting in a short series). Blass was 31 years old when he felt his arm 'go dead'. Maybe with 2016 medical progress, he comes back?

          Steve Busby had 2 excellent seasons in 1974-75 with 2 no hitters. He was going to be the ace of the up and coming Royals; just as the Royals exploded on the scene in 1976 - and continued at that high level thru 1981- Busby had surgery and was never the same. KC fans have always believed that a healthy Busby defeats the Yankees at least once a series in '76, '77, '78

          I just hope Harvey is given some time off, clear his head, starts listening to baseball people other than his agent, and gets it all together. Harvey , if he regains his form , helps the Mets either by being an ace or being trade bait.

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          • Even Oliver Perez came back to forge a respectable career.

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            • I think it's mechanical. Harvey's velocity overall isn't down that much. He seems to get tired faster but that might be a function of the extra weight he's carrying. Strasburg had mechanical issues last season. He had a 6.55 ERA entering June. After that he was amazing. Check out his splits:

              http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...&t=p&year=2015

              Unless Harvey's issues relate to injury I think they can be sorted out.


              "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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              • Shouldn't a shoulder or elbow MRI or other diagnostic test be the obvious thing. Though I guess if the "patient" has no complaints of soreness or discomfort.

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                • I think it started out mechanical and now it is mechanical/psychological. Perhaps he needs to see the same shrink Zack Greinke saw.

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                  • Boras has been comical on this. About a week or so ago he chimed in with the "I told you so" line of comments. Then the light bulb/cash register went off. He realized more or less claiming Harvey was damaged goods was not going to be a selling point when he hits the free agent market. At which time he trotted out the stats about Strasburg.

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                    • Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                      That's a throwaway type response, though. You can project based on past pitcher performances.
                      You can project...........in other words you can guess.

                      Are you projecting that there is no damage and its mechanical/mental?
                      Are you projecting that its a physical issue?

                      We don't know ...therefore we don't know.

                      Everyone was also puzzled by Tim Lincecum...a 2 time Cy Young Award winner, and said he will come back. They are still waiting.

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                      • One example doesn't represent the whole pool.

                        Those are known as outliers are frequently considered "statistically insignificant."

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                        • 2 consecutive excellent starts. Good going.

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                          • Originally posted by LI METS FAN View Post
                            2 consecutive excellent starts. Good going.
                            Only 3 Ks and down velocity. It was a good outing, but something still seems off with him.

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                            • Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                              Only 3 Ks and down velocity. It was a good outing, but something still seems off with him.
                              He kept hitting 96, that's not bad. Only 3 K's, and didn't find himself in serious trouble all game. 0 walks is big, much better control in his last two starts.

                              Let's hope he keeps it up.
                              "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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                              • Originally posted by Shea Knight View Post
                                He kept hitting 96, that's not bad. Only 3 K's, and didn't find himself in serious trouble all game. 0 walks is big, much better control in his last two starts.

                                Let's hope he keeps it up.
                                In 1987 we were always waiting to see Dwight Gooden of 1984-1986. It never happened. He was good but not dominant on a consistent basis.

                                This could be what we have with Harvey.

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