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  • Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
    "Embarrassment of a demotion". If Harvey is such a tough guy why are the Mets always worried about hurting his feelings?
    You try going from hyped to hated by millions of people...with both reactions probably overblown. Besides, it has to be hard on any player to go from ace and 3 outs away from an all-time World Series game to 4-10 with an ERA of 4.86...

    Or to go from "HAR-VEY, HAR-VEY" at home to a chorus of boos on that same mound. The good ones figure it out eventually, and we'll see how good Harvey really is, but with the pressure (and money, I'd have it in my head too knowing every run or loss or point on my ERA could mean less money, that's just the reality today) I don't begrudge the Mets trying to save Harvey some embarrassment.

    Frankly, it's somewhat refreshing. We've seen Mets stars get thrown under the bus by management.
    "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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    • Originally posted by Shea Knight View Post
      You try going from hyped to hated by millions of people...with both reactions probably overblown. Besides, it has to be hard on any player to go from ace and 3 outs away from an all-time World Series game to 4-10 with an ERA of 4.86...

      Or to go from "HAR-VEY, HAR-VEY" at home to a chorus of boos on that same mound. The good ones figure it out eventually, and we'll see how good Harvey really is, but with the pressure (and money, I'd have it in my head too knowing every run or loss or point on my ERA could mean less money, that's just the reality today) I don't begrudge the Mets trying to save Harvey some embarrassment.

      Frankly, it's somewhat refreshing. We've seen Mets stars get thrown under the bus by management.
      I think Harvey brought a lot of this drama on himself. He is a classic case of too big, too fast. A little humility from him and his agent and I am sure he would not have had to go through the extreme ups and downs. Harvey has always had no problem with the attention if it could benefit his bottom line. I hope everything works out because his health is in the best interests of the Mets but Harvey is classic example of a guy who has been mismanaged and has allowed it to happen. Jacob Degrom has handled it like a professional, Jury is still out on Thor.

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      • Originally posted by Shea Knight View Post
        You try going from hyped to hated by millions of people...with both reactions probably overblown. Besides, it has to be hard on any player to go from ace and 3 outs away from an all-time World Series game to 4-10 with an ERA of 4.86...

        Or to go from "HAR-VEY, HAR-VEY" at home to a chorus of boos on that same mound. The good ones figure it out eventually, and we'll see how good Harvey really is, but with the pressure (and money, I'd have it in my head too knowing every run or loss or point on my ERA could mean less money, that's just the reality today) I don't begrudge the Mets trying to save Harvey some embarrassment.

        Frankly, it's somewhat refreshing. We've seen Mets stars get thrown under the bus by management.
        Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
        I think Harvey brought a lot of this drama on himself. He is a classic case of too big, too fast. A little humility from him and his agent and I am sure he would not have had to go through the extreme ups and downs. Harvey has always had no problem with the attention if it could benefit his bottom line. I hope everything works out because his health is in the best interests of the Mets but Harvey is classic example of a guy who has been mismanaged and has allowed it to happen. Jacob Degrom has handled it like a professional, Jury is still out on Thor.
        I think "hate" is a bit over the top. Nobody hates him. I am not be his biggest fan, but I don't hate him. Like I said - I just thought he shouldnt have been crowned king based on what we saw.

        I also think it was the teams responsibility to make sure they didn't embarrass Harvey with a demotion. Lets not forget they were also guilty of the undue hype that he received.


        Hopefully the worst thing we do is continue this debate about Harvey, and not discussing if his career is over because of the TOS. Lets hope that's not what it is. I rather be mocking his nickname than have his career ending.
        Last edited by Paulypal; 07-07-2016, 06:46 AM.

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        • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
          I think "hate" is a bit over the top. Nobody hates him. I am not be his biggest fan, but I don't hate him. Like I said - I just thought he shouldnt have been crowned king based on what we saw.

          I also think it was the teams responsibility to make sure they didn't embarrass Harvey with a demotion. Lets not forget they were also guilty of the undue hype that he received.


          Hopefully the worst thing we do is continue this debate about Harvey, and not discussing if his career is over because of the TOS. Lets hope that's not what it is. I rather be mocking his nickname than have his career ending.
          I think we were on the same page with Harvey from the beginning. I had taken my dad to see Harvey nearly pitch a perfect game against the White Sox....(I always felt that Tejada let the ball play him and the extra bounce cost him at first base http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/5/7...er-neither-win).

          We were on the same page with his antics off the diamond. "Hey look at me at the Knicks game". He was A-rod when he should have been Jeter. He was the 1980 NY Rangers doing commercials and hanging at Studio 54 getting the page 6 pictures, when he should have been the dynasty building Islanders concentrating on some cups..

          I questioned the whole innings controversy last season (I don't know in hindsight who was right). What I found laughable was that silly "I am running out to the mound in the 9th inning to intimidate the Royals stunt"......very bush league. Never saw Seaver or Gooden or Gibson or Palmer or Carlton pull that crap. Did Randy Johnson or Pedro have t do that to 'scare' the other team? That stunt was ridiculous to say the least.

          I actually believe that Harvey needs a trade. Steve Carlton needed a trade despite a very good stint with St Louis. In fact, Phillies fans hated losing Rick Wise in that trade ! I think there is too much water under the bridge. Maybe he becomes a pitcher like Avery on Atlanta? He was the touted one but didn't have the career of Glavine or Smoltz.

          As a Mets fan, we hope he turns it around; as a baseball fan I hope he does it on the west coast.

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          • Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
            I think Harvey brought a lot of this drama on himself. He is a classic case of too big, too fast. A little humility from him and his agent and I am sure he would not have had to go through the extreme ups and downs. Harvey has always had no problem with the attention if it could benefit his bottom line. I hope everything works out because his health is in the best interests of the Mets but Harvey is classic example of a guy who has been mismanaged and has allowed it to happen. Jacob Degrom has handled it like a professional, Jury is still out on Thor.
            Agreed. Noah looks like the real deal , but in this 2016 world of pitching, who knows if or when it's his turn to get hurt. I do wish they stop with the Thor character.

            Back in 1985, when Gooden had one of the very best seasons ever, he lost to the Giants . Chili Davis, after the game, got miffed at all of the questions about how the Giants beat the invincible "Dr K" etc. Davis basically said "Eff him, I get tired of the hype. He's a pitcher".

            If Willie Mays played now, fans would be carrying buckets into the game (bucket catch).

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            • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
              Agreed. Noah looks like the real deal , but in this 2016 world of pitching, who knows if or when it's his turn to get hurt. I do wish they stop with the Thor character.

              Back in 1985, when Gooden had one of the very best seasons ever, he lost to the Giants . Chili Davis, after the game, got miffed at all of the questions about how the Giants beat the invincible "Dr K" etc. Davis basically said "Eff him, I get tired of the hype. He's a pitcher".If Willie Mays played now, fans would be carrying buckets into the game (bucket catch).
              The Davis quote I remember is "he ain't God, man".
              They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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              • Originally posted by mandrake View Post
                Agreed. Noah looks like the real deal , but in this 2016 world of pitching, who knows if or when it's his turn to get hurt. I do wish they stop with the Thor character.

                Back in 1985, when Gooden had one of the very best seasons ever, he lost to the Giants . Chili Davis, after the game, got miffed at all of the questions about how the Giants beat the invincible "Dr K" etc. Davis basically said "Eff him, I get tired of the hype. He's a pitcher".

                If Willie Mays played now, fans would be carrying buckets into the game (bucket catch).
                Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
                The Davis quote I remember is "he ain't God, man".
                I cant stand when fans come to the park in costume. Like they are part of the action.

                In May I went to Mets/Nats game. Noah was pitching. I was on line to get into the park and there were a couple of "guys" on line with the long blond hair wigs, the Viking Helmet, and of course its not complete without the hammer accessory. Now when you see these "guys" on TV ok you can blow it off. When you see them up close just standing in line - you realize how ridiculous it really is.

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                • Matt Harvey has been diagnosed with "symptoms consistent with thoracic outlet syndrome" and is considering undergoing season-ending shoulder surgery.

                  Harvey flew out to St. Louis on Thursday to meet with Dr. Robert Thompson, the nation's leading specialist in TOS. And the news obviously wasn't good. If the right-hander does go under the knife, he might not be ready to pitch again until mid-2017. Other starting pitchers have failed to return from that surgery, or had their skills greatly diminished. It's absolutely terrible news.


                  Wow - horrendous news.

                  really nothing else to say

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                  • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                    Matt Harvey has been diagnosed with "symptoms consistent with thoracic outlet syndrome" and is considering undergoing season-ending shoulder surgery.

                    Harvey flew out to St. Louis on Thursday to meet with Dr. Robert Thompson, the nation's leading specialist in TOS. And the news obviously wasn't good. If the right-hander does go under the knife, he might not be ready to pitch again until mid-2017. Other starting pitchers have failed to return from that surgery, or had their skills greatly diminished. It's absolutely terrible news.


                    Wow - horrendous news.

                    really nothing else to say
                    That sucks for Harvey and his career. 2 surgeries in 3 years.

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                    • Just sad...it's looking more and more like the Matt Harvey Story is gonna be written as a tragedy, at least so far.

                      It looks like that Memorial Day start could be the last Harvey-esque start we'll see for a while, in a Mets uniform or elsewhere (though he's not getting that big money now, here or elsewhere.)
                      "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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                      • Hopefully they call up Michael Fulmer or John Gant to replace hi ... oh shoot.

                        Instead they're left with Seth Lugo to replace him, who has 6.55 ERA at Triple-A this year.
                        Last edited by Cowtipper; 07-07-2016, 07:03 PM.

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                        • SNY was running a crawl during tonight's game saying Harvey's options are season-ending surgery or "nerve-blocking injections", which sounds like a very bad idea to me. Either way, it doesn't look good.
                          They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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                          • Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                            Hopefully they call up Michael Fulmer or John Gant to replace hi ... oh shoot.

                            Instead they're left with Seth Lugo to replace him, who has 6.55 ERA at Triple-A this year.
                            It's really not all gloom and doom. Verrett has to tow the line for 4-5 starts until Wheeler can be called up. It's not like Harvey was good. All Verrett has to do is pitch to an ERA under 5.00 to be as effective or not as ineffective as Harvey was. That's assuming Harvey doesn't go with option A which has him back in 2 starts.

                            Plus: Syndergaard, deGrom, Matz, Colon.
                            Last edited by jjpm74; 07-07-2016, 09:47 PM.

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                            • ^I agree, I'm not too concerned about the rotation. Verrett's honestly on par with Harvey this year, and if Wheeler comes back we'll have the chance to upgrade within the system.
                              "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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                              • It's funny tomorrow's game is Strasburg vs. Syndergaard...

                                It wasn't that long ago Strasburg/Harvey looked like it might become the headline pitching rivalry within the budding Mets/Nats rivalry. He was that night, and some nights after, but no one's chanting "Harvey's Better" now, and very possibly won't ever get to do so again, given the poor record of those diagnosed with TOS. And Syndergaard's essentially heir apparent to Harvey's ace-with-personality spot, and has been all year.

                                Even with Lincecum now no longer what he was, even Kershaw/Lincecum got more mileage than Harvey/Strasburg, which is a shame for all involved. (It also makes me wonder how many true pitcher vs. pitcher rivalries there are nowadays...Kershaw/Bumgarner is the closest I can think of...Syndergaard and Strasburg could become another, in time...but then this time last year I'd have said that was Harvey's bag.)
                                "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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