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  • Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

    Looks like Harvey's back up to 97 or 98 mph his last 2 starts. He's been effective. Too bad Fred and Jeff display personal animosity towards certain players. It's counterproductive. Not saying Harvey's exemplary, but he's a competitor. You're supposed to try to get the most out of your employees.

    He still has a way to go, but his improvement has been measureable in several ways. I hope he regains his abilities.
    Regardless of Fred / Jeff -- it was time for Harvey to go. I am not going to 20/20 this and say they should have kept him -- they shouldn't have.

    He will not regain is 2013/2015 form. He may be effective but not dominant.

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    • https://deadspin.com/matt-harvey-is-...ain-1827285670

      Much as I loved Harvey, I agree with Pauly--it was time, for both parties.

      That said, people just keep performing better the instant they leave the sinkhole that is Citi Field, don't they?

      I again agree that The Dark Knight days are gone, but at the same time, I again say what I have over and over with this staff--

      In the hands of ANOTHER organization, I think the idea of a Super Staff COULD have worked out a lot, lot better. Even if Harvey's "just" effective, 1. That's a million times more than could be said of him in May, when he was so awful and the buzz so bad it looked like his career might be nearing a premature end, and 2. "Just" effective DOES win ballgames. We said it over and over:

      deGrom, Noah, and then Harvey and Matz "just" being effective. We ALL would've been happy with that.

      Would that be enough for them to compete?
      AHAHAHAHA..yeah, this offense has long since passed the point where even I'd defend it, when deGrom's pitching Dead Ball-levels of awesome and your offense is deader STILL?
      But could they have at least been better?
      Yes.
      And--to Pauly's long counterpoint to my "Let's Keep Them and See" view--if they WERE "just" effective...would they have been WAY better pieces to deal, getting WAY more back?
      YES.

      But that's the Catch-22 with the Mets--you need to deal someone to improve, but the second you do, half the time THEY improve...because even in a case where Harvey's, where there WERE objective problems you could pin on him (physical and, by the end of his tenure, behavior-wise) they're better off without the Mets and their problems.

      Because this franchise IS a problem. I still say there are worse--I ALSO still say that, once you're in the Bottom Third, where the Mets undoubtedly have been the past two years (and, aside from 2015-16, they've been there most of this past decade) it starts to become academic who's "worse."

      Is one dump truck's worth of manure on your lawn "better" than two dump truck's worth?
      Yes, technically.
      Do you really CARE at that point?
      Prooooobably not, and you're gonna want to escape the fumes as soon as possible.
      "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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      • It'll be fun when the Yankees acquire a resuscitated Harvey at the deadline - and he does pretty well for them.

        100% certainty Steinbrenner would have done it. As it stands, asking price for Harvey won't be super high, and they need more starters. It's almost the only thing left to root for, unless you're stoked about seeing Tim Tebow in a Mets uniform. A revived Harvey on the Yankees is better because Fred and Jeff will be in a rage.


        "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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        • Originally posted by Mongoose View Post
          It'll be fun when the Yankees acquire a resuscitated Harvey at the deadline - and he does pretty well for them.

          100% certainty Steinbrenner would have done it. As it stands, asking price for Harvey won't be super high, and they need more starters. It's almost the only thing left to root for, unless you're stoked about seeing Tim Tebow in a Mets uniform. A revived Harvey on the Yankees is better because Fred and Jeff will be in a rage.
          That would be pretty good.

          Although I felt it was time for Harvey to leave the Mets, but the talk is Yankees or as of today the Nats want him. Either way will sting the organization.

          I call this "whatever"

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          • A few weeks ago I posted that I was in Pittsburgh and had hoped to see Harvey pitch but dinner plans interfered . Harvey pitched good , not great , but the Pirates announcers said that they thought if Harvey could string a series of starts like that one , he would be on a contender at the trade deadline .

            Harvey's last three starts he is 3-0 with a 1.47 era .

            The Reds are supposedly scouting the Nats and the Yankees looking for prospects . Interesting .

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            • Harvey allowed 2 ER in 5 2/3 innings today. Checked the play by play. He had a lot of swinging strikes early and, based on results, seemed to run out of gas around 100 pitches. Still not a bad performance.


              "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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              • This is what Harvey is. Some good outings, and then he will get lit up.

                He is a 5 inning guy max right now. I must stay I have to tip my cap to him for being even effective as he has been after TOS surgery.

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                • Oh geez, I just looked, 8 runs and 4HR in 3+ IP. That will blow up an ERA pretty fast.

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                  • Harvey was always overrated. He had no business finishing 4th for the CYA, let alone top ten, or making the all-star team that year. He has a losing record and his career ERA+ will be under 100 by the end of the year.
                    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                    • Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                      Harvey was always overrated. He had no business finishing 4th for the CYA, let alone top ten, or making the all-star team that year. He has a losing record and his career ERA+ will be under 100 by the end of the year.
                      You mean the year Harvey had a 6.16 K/BB ratio, and led MLB with a 2.01 FIP, and could hit 102mph, with a high 90s slider? You're right. He had no business finishing 4th. If he hadn't gotten injured, he would have won the CYA.


                      "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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                      • Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

                        You mean the year Harvey had a 6.16 K/BB ratio, and led MLB with a 2.01 FIP, and could hit 102mph, with a high 90s slider? You're right. He had no business finishing 4th. If he hadn't gotten injured, he would have won the CYA.
                        I think 7 more starts would have gone a long way.
                        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                        • Took this from the Season thread so as not to sidetrack:

                          "Elsewhere, Christian Yelich is all smiles--he's hit for the cycle for the Brewers today vs. the Reds? The starter? Who else--Matt Harvey, who didn't even make it past 5 innings...AGAIN.

                          He's not our "problem" anymore, but his seemingly being wrecked is still a sad sight to behold."

                          The schadenfreude in me made me check his game logs. His previous 3 starts were 5.1, 6.1 and 7 IP with a line of 18.2 IP 14 H 3 ER 3 BB 18 K. Not so bad. The previous 3 were not so good. 4, 4 and 3.2 IP giving up 5, 2 and 8 R/ER. Otherwise 5. something IP 1-3 R for the most part with a 4 or 5 as well. Nothing to get cut over but not exactly something to build a staff around either. Just a back of the rotation guy, who in a 30 team league with hugely expanded pitching staffs can have a long career as rotation fill.

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                          • The rhetoric on this thread was that Harvey still had something left and he was going to the Yankees or wherever and the Mets would regret him going on some level.

                            Uhhhhhh NO. Matt Harvey is a sub standard MLB pitcher. That probably wont change despite the good start on occasion.

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                            • Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                              Took this from the Season thread so as not to sidetrack:

                              "Elsewhere, Christian Yelich is all smiles--he's hit for the cycle for the Brewers today vs. the Reds? The starter? Who else--Matt Harvey, who didn't even make it past 5 innings...AGAIN.

                              He's not our "problem" anymore, but his seemingly being wrecked is still a sad sight to behold."

                              The schadenfreude in me made me check his game logs. His previous 3 starts were 5.1, 6.1 and 7 IP with a line of 18.2 IP 14 H 3 ER 3 BB 18 K. Not so bad. The previous 3 were not so good. 4, 4 and 3.2 IP giving up 5, 2 and 8 R/ER. Otherwise 5. something IP 1-3 R for the most part with a 4 or 5 as well. Nothing to get cut over but not exactly something to build a staff around either. Just a back of the rotation guy, who in a 30 team league with hugely expanded pitching staffs can have a long career as rotation fill.
                              His agent might get him a one year deal to prove himself. Or go for a multi year for security. He will get a contract.

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                              • Originally posted by LI METS FAN View Post

                                His agent might get him a one year deal to prove himself. Or go for a multi year for security. He will get a contract.
                                I think on the high side he gets a one year deal, and on the low side some invites to ST.

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