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  • filihok
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    Originally posted by filihok View Post
    No-hitter through 6
    Jinxed.

    Justin Morneau homerun

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  • filihok
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    No-hitter through 6

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  • theAmazingMet
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    Originally posted by Mr. Met View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but there are zero HOF'ers on that list. No Nolan Ryans, no Steve Carltons. I wonder how much of a coincidence that is.
    Well then it stands to reason that eventually there will be a HOF on that list. The law of averages and such....

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  • Mr. Met
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Serious question for you and other Mets fans: Would you sign up for a few years of Gooden-esque or Lincecum-esque peak performance knowing that he wouldn't provide much value past his late 20's?
    At this point I think the organization needs a long-term stud, somebody who is going to anchor the staff for the next 10-12 years (which team wouldn't take one of those!). You augment that guy with the shot-in-the-pan phenoms.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by Strawman View Post
    Probably, yeah.

    Main reason: the Wilpons would let him walk like Jose Reyes after the first main contract.
    Yeah, that's kind of the point I was getting at. He's probably not going to be a Met for life. Hopefully he gives you a terrific peak for a few years at a low cost and then someone else throws $200M at him for his decline.

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  • Strawman
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    Serious question for you and other Mets fans: Would you sign up for a few years of Gooden-esque or Lincecum-esque peak performance knowing that he wouldn't provide much value past his late 20's?
    Probably, yeah.

    Main reason: the Wilpons would let him walk like Jose Reyes after the first main contract.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Originally posted by mandrake View Post
    EXACTLY ! I personally think Harvey could become a great pitcher and have a fantastic career ! However, this list would not be the list I would like to see him on !
    Serious question for you and other Mets fans: Would you sign up for a few years of Gooden-esque or Lincecum-esque peak performance knowing that he wouldn't provide much value past his late 20's?

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  • mandrake
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    Originally posted by Mr. Met View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but there are zero HOF'ers on that list. No Nolan Ryans, no Steve Carltons. I wonder how much of a coincidence that is.
    EXACTLY ! I personally think Harvey could become a great pitcher and have a fantastic career ! However, this list would not be the list I would like to see him on !

    Where is Ryan, Carlton, Marichal, Koufax, Drysdale, Seaver, Guidry, Feller, Gibson,Verlander, Clemens, Maddux, etc etc etc.

    Remember when Kerry Wood and Mark Prior were going to lead the Cubs to the promised land ?:choke:

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  • Mr. Met
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but there are zero HOF'ers on that list. No Nolan Ryans, no Steve Carltons. I wonder how much of a coincidence that is.

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  • PVNICK
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    Cool list. I would have thought Feller was there. Otherwise it is interesting but considering the enormous jump in overall K rates in the last decade and even the last few it skews towards the present so I wouldn't make too much of it.

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  • Cowtipper
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    Originally posted by mandrake View Post
    VERY interesting list.....of the 20 pitchers, how many ended up in Cooperstown???? How many ended up as huge disappointments???
    How many ended up being dependable pitchers for quite a while? The majority. No one is expecting Harvey to be a Hall of Famer, but to expect him to be a reliable pitcher for many seasons isn't a radical notion.

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  • mandrake
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    Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
    In case anyone was curious....

    Most strikeouts through first 12 career starts:

    1. 109 Hideo Nomo
    2. 107 Kerry Wood
    3. 101 Herb Score
    4. 99 Jose DeLeon
    5. 93 Dwight Gooden
    6. 92 Stephen Strasburg
    7. 89 Matt Harvey
    8. 86 Mark Prior
    9. 82 Tom Griffin
    10. 79 Tim Lincecum
    10. 79 Orlando Hernandez
    10. 79 Andy Benes
    13. 77 Al Leiter
    13. 77 Felix Hernandez
    13. 77 Yu Darvish
    16. 76 Michael Pineda
    16. 76 Daisuke Matsuzaka
    18. 75 Dontrelle Willis
    18. 75 Tim Hudson
    20. 74 Lynn McGlothen

    This list goes back to 1916. Kind of an interesting mix of pitchers. Of the twenty pitchers listed, only Dontrelle Willis allowed fewer earned runs than Harvey (17 for Willis, 19 for Harvey)
    VERY interesting list.....of the 20 pitchers, how many ended up in Cooperstown???? How many ended up as huge disappointments???

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  • GiambiJuice
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    In case anyone was curious....

    Most strikeouts through first 12 career starts:

    1. 109 Hideo Nomo
    2. 107 Kerry Wood
    3. 101 Herb Score
    4. 99 Jose DeLeon
    5. 93 Dwight Gooden
    6. 92 Stephen Strasburg
    7. 89 Matt Harvey
    8. 86 Mark Prior
    9. 82 Tom Griffin
    10. 79 Tim Lincecum
    10. 79 Orlando Hernandez
    10. 79 Andy Benes
    13. 77 Al Leiter
    13. 77 Felix Hernandez
    13. 77 Yu Darvish
    16. 76 Michael Pineda
    16. 76 Daisuke Matsuzaka
    18. 75 Dontrelle Willis
    18. 75 Tim Hudson
    20. 74 Lynn McGlothen

    This list goes back to 1916. Kind of an interesting mix of pitchers. Of the twenty pitchers listed, only Dontrelle Willis allowed fewer earned runs than Harvey (17 for Willis, 19 for Harvey)

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  • PVNICK
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    I thought this was the Matt Harvey thread??? The other stuff we have endlessly in pretty much a half dozen other threads, just sayin'.

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  • Strawman
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    Originally posted by Shea Knight View Post
    All that being said, though, if Wheeler is--by your own admission--still "a work in progress," Strawman, you can't say yet that he'll never touch Harvey.

    It DOES seem like you have an anti-Alderson bias...and all I can say about that is...eh?

    I mean, I still think there HAD to have been a way to keep Reyes or Dickey, at least one of the two (though with Dickey's first two starts this year, Alderson may yet prove he dealt him just at the right time...though I have to admit I hope that's not the case, I just like R.A. too much to want him to bottom out like that in order to make Alderson's deal look the savvier, I hope his next start is better) but really--

    In a sense, there was only so much Alderson could so thanks to Wilponzi.

    The Beltran deal made sense at the time, and if Wheeler pays off it'll really be validated...
    I still say there had to be some way of keeping Jose, but if it was a choice between Reyes and Wright, I'm glad they saved the money to sign the latter...
    And then you have the Dickey deal.

    If Syndergaard, D'Arnaud, and Wheeler pan out, Alderson will have given us a pretty good team in resigning Wright, giving us a Harvey/Wheeler/Niese/Syndergaard/#5 Pitcher rotation, an infield which (as long as D'Arnaud performs anywhere near what's expected and Ike doesn't go down the drain) is home grown and pretty good in D'Arnaud/Ike/Murphy/Tejada/Wright...that leaves him free to spend on a good outfield bat or two, or maybe fix the bullpen, and we're back in it, as it seems Philly's starting to deteriorate and Miami crashed and burned before it could even really take off that much...

    That leaves a Nats/Mets/Braves race, and that can only get tighter if Alderson's prospects pay off.

    If not...well, we'd have been in this position anyway, thanks to one of the worst owners in the game.
    Well Wheeler struggled again last night - so yeah, work in progress. But he's young.

    Do I have an "anti-Alderson bias" - sure but I wouldn't call it bias. I'd call it judgment. Alderson's simply no the talent evaluator Minaya was, what can I say. That doesn't mean Wheeler won't pan out - or that it didn't make sense to trade for him.

    The choice between Reyes and Wright was a marketing decision, of course, based on the cultural bias of the entertainment audience in question. A baseball decision demanded keeping either 1. both of them (and playing to win) or 2. neither of them (and actually rebuilding).

    The Dickey deal looks pretty good now - until you realize that Dillon Gee is the number 3 starter.

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