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  • filihok
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    Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
    High meaning prospects they currently own, Wheeler, Flores, Syndegaard,Mejia,Edgin. Sorry I didn't make myself clear. The point was they can improve there current roster without cleaning out the farm.
    Their farm, at least to some degree, came from draft picks.

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  • rjsallstars
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    Originally posted by filihok View Post
    Marcum doesn't seem healthy. Get bet on a full season from him


    Mets will have to give up their 1st round draft pic if they sign Bourn (though they are asking to give up their second instead)
    High meaning prospects they currently own, Wheeler, Flores, Syndegaard,Mejia,Edgin. Sorry I didn't make myself clear. The point was they can improve there current roster without cleaning out the farm.

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  • filihok
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    Originally posted by Blue387 View Post
    filihok, where can I learn more about ZIPS projections? I don't know anything about ZIPS and one thing I read had Marcum at a projected 3 WAR with ZIPS.
    Follow Dan Szymborski on Twitter. He created ZiPS. He's also pretty responsive to questions.

    ZiPS are being released on FanGraphs this year. Here's a link to today's release - the Detroit Tigers. There's some info and links there.

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  • Blue387
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    filihok, where can I learn more about ZIPS projections? I don't know anything about ZIPS and one thing I read had Marcum at a projected 3 WAR with ZIPS.

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  • filihok
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    Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
    a healthy Marcum will be a good addition to the starting staff.
    Marcum doesn't seem healthy. Get bet on a full season from him

    you did not have to give up high prospects to get him or Marcum.
    Mets will have to give up their 1st round draft pic if they sign Bourn (though they are asking to give up their second instead)

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  • Blue387
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    Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
    But a healthy Marcum will be a good addition to the starting staff.
    Marcum had a 2.21 road ERA in 2011, and a 3.26 road ERA in 2012. Citi Field could benefit the guy's pitching and help rebuild his value as a trade chip before the trade deadline or draft pick bait. Also, he throws a nice curveball and fields his position well. I'll take Marcum over Chris Young any day.

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  • rjsallstars
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    Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
    No need to worry about that anymore. A REAL team traded for Upton.

    Does Marcum play the OF?
    I would have liked Upton also. I would like to know what the Mets offered and what the Diamondbacks wanted. But a healthy Marcum will be a good addition to the starting staff. Now we will see what happens with Bourn. Even with Bourn, I see a 500 team at best, but you did not have to give up high prospects to get him or Marcum.

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  • Paulypal
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    Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
    Good signing. Marcum has pitched well for the last few years, I hope he is healthy. I wonder if this gives them a little more flexibility in trading a pitcher for a outfielder? I still cannot give up Harvey or Wheeler for Upton, but will Syndergaard, Flores and Familia get it done? I doubt it!
    No need to worry about that anymore. A REAL team traded for Upton.

    Does Marcum play the OF?
    Last edited by Paulypal; 01-24-2013, 11:55 AM.

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  • Joe Rigatoni
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    I agree that Marcum is a good signing.Marcum had an E.RA of 3.70 or lower for four straight years and has a lifetime E.RA
    of 3.76.Marcum has had five straight winning seasons and has a lifetime record of 21 games over .500.Marcum also has a
    good hits to innings pitched and walks to innings pitched ratio in his career.I am pleasantly surprised someone with this
    track record was available for the Mets to get in late January.He will definitely help in the back end of the rotation.
    Btw,Justin Upton was traded from the Diamondbacks to the Braves in a multiplayer trade.Justin Upton joins his brother
    B.J.Upton who signed as a free agent with the Braves.

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  • rjsallstars
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    Originally posted by Blue387 View Post
    The Mets have agreed to sign free agent right-handed pitcher Shaun Marcum.
    Good signing. Marcum has pitched well for the last few years, I hope he is healthy. I wonder if this gives them a little more flexibility in trading a pitcher for a outfielder? I still cannot give up Harvey or Wheeler for Upton, but will Syndergaard, Flores and Familia get it done? I doubt it!

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  • Blue387
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    The Mets have agreed to sign free agent right-handed pitcher Shaun Marcum.

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Originally posted by Blue387 View Post
    I am opposed to signing Bourn. Andy McCullough at the Newark Star-Ledger best summarized it in this article:
    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/201...free-agen.html
    Signing Bourn would be a huge mistake. The fans in NY are (at least in my opinion) too smart to realize that his presence there maybe wins an extra game or two. But the long-term effects hurt more than the short-term fix. To punt the draft pick while paying him would not be smart at all IMO. Take a good hard look as to what you've got in the system, and try to fill holes that might be there in 2014/2015. Francisco likely will get the early push at closer to justify the money spent. Hopefully, for you guys, he does well enough to gain much interest at the trade deadline. Purnell should be a fixture in that spot, and moving FF would be imperative - and to get the best value, he needs to establish his numbers this season.

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  • Strawman
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    Originally posted by Blue387 View Post
    I am opposed to signing Bourn. Andy McCullough at the Newark Star-Ledger best summarized it in this article:
    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/201...free-agen.html
    Yeah I agree - bad signing. Kinda like the Frank Francisco signing, only for the outfield.

    Lame.

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  • Blue387
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    I am opposed to signing Bourn. Andy McCullough at the Newark Star-Ledger best summarized it in this article:
    http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/201...free-agen.html

    Bourn himself isn’t all that appealing as a long-term solution. He turned 30 last month. His game is predicated on his legs. As he ages, his speed is expected to decline. He’s a below-average hitter (his .320 wOBA ranks 20th among qualified center fielders since 2010). And he won’t come cheap. His agent is Scott Boras...

    For the Mets, signing Bourn would mean forfeiting the No. 11 pick and the money allotted to them ($2.625 million in 2012). The Mets can’t just spend that money on later picks. That money disappears from their pool.

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  • rjsallstars
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    Supposedly Friday will be the day we know what happens with Upton. I think we can wind up with three logical potential scenerios

    1. Mets do not get Upton or Bourn, resign Hairston (most likely). This solidifies that 2013 is a rebuilding year and they will find out what, if any outfielders can help long term and sets it up for the same search for an entire outfield next year, with more money to spend?

    2. Mets trade for Upton (not very likely) They trade Niese, Familia, Flores and maybe low level pitching prospect (not Syndegard). This sures up rightfield for the next 5 to 8 years with a very good all around player but weakens the current starting rotation and future pieces for other trades. Team still cannot expect to heavily compete with the Nats or Braves in the near future and puts more pressure on Harvey, Wheeler to be front of the rotation guys with Niese gone.

    3. Everything in #2 plus signing Bourn to 4 year 50 million dollar contract and trading a couple of young pitchers Mejia, Edgin? for Chris Capuano. (even less likely) Team should be 500 or maybe a little better but still not match up well with Nats or Braves.

    I honestly cannot come up with which scenerio I would be totally happy with. It may sound strange but I almost want to say I would not mind number one and hoping they can form a dominant starting rotation Wheeler, Harvey, Niese, Syndegard and Gee. Have the good but lesser pitching prospects become quality relievers and maybe make one trade for a good outfielder and pick up 2 via free agency in the next couple of years. I think there best chance for a long term contending team is #1 but it really is throwing in the towel for this year and probably next. Not pretty but realistic.

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