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  • It looks like the Mets offered Dickey 2 years at 10 mil a year. Any thoughts? I do not think Dickey should be overwhelmed by this offer and if he was a free agent this year he would get a lot more money somewhere else. His problem is he still needs to pitch another quality, injury free season to get to free agency. Tough decision for RA.

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    • Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
      It looks like the Mets offered Dickey 2 years at 10 mil a year. Any thoughts? I do not think Dickey should be overwhelmed by this offer and if he was a free agent this year he would get a lot more money somewhere else. His problem is he still needs to pitch another quality, injury free season to get to free agency. Tough decision for RA.
      The Mets are not going to overwhelm anyone with an offer. This is the low end of what Dickey is worth at this point.

      With that said I think Dickey will take it. At 38 I am not sure if you chance 20million by playing it out in 2013. If he doesnt take it and plays it out he has same guts to do so.

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      • Originally posted by Strawman View Post
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        Incredibly, I spotted a young woman this morning at the local coffee place already sporting a "Bixler" - and apparently, he's going to wear No. 24. (Say hey, Bixler!) She graciously allowed me a couple of shots with my cell phone camera. She also told me the line for Bixlers was only 30 minutes at the Citi Field store.
        If Brian Bixler did wear No.24 that would be a story in itself.I thought No.24 was unofficially retired for the Say Hey Kid himself Willie Mays.The only time No.24 was ever worn for the Mets since Mays retired was in chronological order Kelvin
        Torve who wore it for 10 days in 1990 before the Mets realized they gave him that number by mistake and gave him No.39
        instead.And the only other time No.24 was ever worn for the Mets was by Rickey Henderson as a player in 1999 to May 2000 who got cut for not running out a ball that he thought was a home run but wasn't and was playing poorly that year and as a coach in 2007.Henderson was given No.24 by the Mets because he wore No.24 earlier in his career and also because he's Rickey Henderson and he wanted that number.Henderson also wore No.35 earlier in his career but that number was already taken at the time by Rick Reed.But then again if Bixler's jersey is selling like hotcakes then maybe they will make an exception.(lol).
        "You don't give up any runs,we'll guarantee you
        at least a tie." ~ Grote to Koosman

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        • ^^ It's a joke, Joe. A computer-manipulated photographic joke.
          "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


          Put it in the books.

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          • Today's the last day for rosters before the rule five draft. I think the Mets should try to claim Joey Butler from the Rangers:

            Joey Butler
            RH/RH outfielder, age 26, will turn 27 in March
            Drafted 2008, Rangers organization for five years, eligible for rule five draft

            2012: AAA Round Rock in PCL
            batted .290/.392/.473/.865
            20 home runs, 78 RBI, 79 walks, 128K in 137 games
            125 games in right field, 9 games in center field

            .183 ISO in 2012
            .351 BABIP in 2012
            .382 wOBA in 2012

            He can hit fastballs, spray to opposite field. Decent speed on base paths but blocked at major league level. Had good year but hitting in PCL but has below average plate discipline. Rangers have 34 players on 40 man roster and have depth in outfield with Murphy, Gentry, Cruz and Martin

            Videos:

            Butler's solo jack
            3/16/11: Joey Butler extends the lead with a home run into the right-field stands
            http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13217319

            Butler robs Rizzo of a homer
            6/21/12: Round Rock's Joey Butler takes a home run away from Anthony Rizzo in the Express' 6-2 win over the Iowa Cubs
            http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.j...nt_id=22482465
            The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.

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            • Joey Butler interview clip from 2011. I've noticed he hits balls to right field in the clip.

              The Mets have the best, smartest fans in baseball.

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              • The Mets signed Jamie Hoffmann to a minor league contract.

                http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...offmja01.shtml

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                • I don't think we have to worry too much about the Mets' recent signings:

                  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-carlos-torres

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                  • OH GOD NO...NOT AGAIN...!!! :O

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/sp...n-a-cohen.html

                    How's everyone recuperated from Sandy, by the way?
                    "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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                    • Some updates on former Mets:

                      Willie Collazo, who I didn't even know was still playing just signed with the Blue Jays. Nick Evans, who was in the Pirates organization last year, signed with the Dodgers. Jose Reyes, obviously, is with the Blue Jays now too.

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                      • http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/...JH7R5DChgyMI/1


                        This article pretty much sums up the "reality" of the state of the Mets. The author dares to say stay with the plan also. As usual its not sexy but it is "reality".

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                        • Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
                          http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/...JH7R5DChgyMI/1


                          This article pretty much sums up the "reality" of the state of the Mets. The author dares to say stay with the plan also. As usual its not sexy but it is "reality".
                          The writer seems to have put a lot of the decisions in Alderson's basket. Now although I agree with his assessment of Alderson's 4 moves he fails to touch on the real issue at hand, which is ownership. By the way if Reyes stays healthy in 2011 I believe there would have been a much better chance of him being traded. Which was the correct route to go because there was no way on this earth that Reyes was going to be a Met in 2012.

                          The writer is also correct that in signing Wright/Dickey it would create a lot of enthusiasm, but to what end? Personally as time goes I am more and more of the mind set that they both should be traded. I really like both of them, but if we lock them up for the long term what else can they afford to do in the mean time? Nothing. So now we just have the 2012 season all over again. Maybe worse.

                          Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand.

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                          • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                            The writer seems to have put a lot of the decisions in Alderson's basket. Now although I agree with his assessment of Alderson's 4 moves he fails to touch on the real issue at hand, which is ownership. By the way if Reyes stays healthy in 2011 I believe there would have been a much better chance of him being traded. Which was the correct route to go because there was no way on this earth that Reyes was going to be a Met in 2012.

                            The writer is also correct that in signing Wright/Dickey it would create a lot of enthusiasm, but to what end? Personally as time goes I am more and more of the mind set that they both should be traded. I really like both of them, but if we lock them up for the long term what else can they afford to do in the mean time? Nothing. So now we just have the 2012 season all over again. Maybe worse.

                            Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand.

                            "Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand"

                            Are the Wilpons rich men? Yes. Could they increase the Mets payroll to 150 mil and still own there beautiful houses and eat at the finest restaurants? Definately. Would doing this be in the best long term interest of the team or following the plan to develop quality minor league talent, develop it, use some to trade, keep some and supplement with free agents when the team is close to competing? I have to say no. We have all watched teams, including the Mets, think they had the World Series won in December only to find out by the following September that some of the guys they had signed are not good fits for there team and are now going to be overpaid for the next few years and stunt the growth of the team. Believe me, I too get frustrated when I hear teams discussing free agent catchers and hear that there are a lot of CFs available but how many of those signings actually work out for teams? Napoli wants 4 years, Bourne wants Jason Bay money. I know they are much better than what the Mets currently have but in simple terms are they good signings? I am also tired of going to games or following blogs and hearing the same fans who applauded many of these crazy signings in December booing the same players for the next 4 years because they are way overpaid and cannot perform to the level of there contracts. I know I am in the minority but I do feel that 90 to 100 mil spent wisely will give you a chance every year and it is easier to root for a team like that. The Mets will have a 90-100 mil payroll next year but Santana and Bay will be making almost 1/2 of it. Those 2 players made the Mets World Series champs in December years ago and now are helping to keep them in 4th place next year. I do not want to throw away 2013 but I do see how it looks like that is what the team is doing. Lets see what happens at the winter meetings before we storm the gates at flushing!!

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                            • Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post
                              "Now let add my disclaimer: I believe that Wilpon can turn this around this off season if he wished. If winning was his priority he could make 7-8 moves that make this team decent......but he wont. Therefore my first two paragraphs stand"

                              Are the Wilpons rich men? Yes. Could they increase the Mets payroll to 150 mil and still own there beautiful houses and eat at the finest restaurants? Definately. Would doing this be in the best long term interest of the team or following the plan to develop quality minor league talent, develop it, use some to trade, keep some and supplement with free agents when the team is close to competing? I have to say no. We have all watched teams, including the Mets, think they had the World Series won in December only to find out by the following September that some of the guys they had signed are not good fits for there team and are now going to be overpaid for the next few years and stunt the growth of the team. Believe me, I too get frustrated when I hear teams discussing free agent catchers and hear that there are a lot of CFs available but how many of those signings actually work out for teams? Napoli wants 4 years, Bourne wants Jason Bay money. I know they are much better than what the Mets currently have but in simple terms are they good signings? I am also tired of going to games or following blogs and hearing the same fans who applauded many of these crazy signings in December booing the same players for the next 4 years because they are way overpaid and cannot perform to the level of there contracts. I know I am in the minority but I do feel that 90 to 100 mil spent wisely will give you a chance every year and it is easier to root for a team like that. The Mets will have a 90-100 mil payroll next year but Santana and Bay will be making almost 1/2 of it. Those 2 players made the Mets World Series champs in December years ago and now are helping to keep them in 4th place next year. I do not want to throw away 2013 but I do see how it looks like that is what the team is doing. Lets see what happens at the winter meetings before we storm the gates at flushing!!
                              True not every signing is good but under the Wilpon Era I dont need to look at anymore than two players that they shunned from even attempting to sign - a 25 year old ARod (who the Mets ran a phoney campaign against and would have signed for less than the money Texas gave him), and Vlad who was "washed up" and not worth the 10m a year.....only had 6-7 more great seasons left.

                              This is what they do, this is what they always have done. Unless of course they were spending stolen money then they let Omar run amuck.

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                              • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                                True not every signing is good but under the Wilpon Era I dont need to look at anymore than two players that they shunned from even attempting to sign - a 25 year old ARod (who the Mets ran a phoney campaign against and would have signed for less than the money Texas gave him), and Vlad who was "washed up" and not worth the 10m a year.....only had 6-7 more great seasons left.

                                This is what they do, this is what they always have done. Unless of course they were spending stolen money then they let Omar run amuck.
                                Arod with the Mets would have been a disaster. The Rangers were very lucky to get out of that ridiculous contract and it will be interesting to see how the yanks will dump him. No one else was willing to take a chance on Vlad. Maybe there cheapness helped them by not signing Manny and Zito, they could have overpaid for them also. I do think the only way they have a chance without the Madoff money and continued low attendance is to follow the dreaded plan.

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