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  • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
    Biggio didnt get elected because he isnt a first ballot HOF'er ----- if he is a HOF'er at all.
    What's the difference between a first ballot hall of famer and anyone else? You're a hall of famer or you're not. Who cares how many times you've been on the ballot?

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    • Originally posted by filihok View Post
      What's the difference between a first ballot hall of famer and anyone else? You're a hall of famer or you're not. Who cares how many times you've been on the ballot?
      You and I would assume so. But pro players have massive egos. They measure each other by contracts, records broken and HoF consideration. It's just how their minds work.
      "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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      • Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
        You and I would assume so. But pro players have massive egos. They measure each other by contracts, records broken and HoF consideration. It's just how their minds work.
        That's fine.

        But what goes on in the heads of the HoF voters (LOL)? "Player isn't a hall of famer this year, but he will be next year" SMH

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        • Originally posted by filihok View Post
          That's fine.

          But what goes on in the heads of the HoF voters (LOL)? "Player isn't a hall of famer this year, but he will be next year" SMH
          LOL. Half the voters are off their rockers IMO. Too many old-school thinkers who 1) over prioritize baseball card stats (RBI, Runs, Wins, etc) and 2) want to keep their legends (myths?) in tact - meaning nobody can get in first ballot because it would raise questions about the ghosts of the past. Baseball's very backwards.
          "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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          • Originally posted by filihok View Post
            That's fine.

            But what goes on in the heads of the HoF voters (LOL)? "Player isn't a hall of famer this year, but he will be next year" SMH
            As Ben said, I think it's pretty much common knowledge that some writers distinguish between first-ballot and run-of-the-mill HOFers.

            The way the process has worked up until now, that attitude jibes with the gradual consensus-seeking process implied by the high percentage necessary for enshrinement and the large number of opportunities for a player who musters enough support to stay on the ballot.

            "I am not sure, myself. I will wait a while and consider the judgments of my learned colleagues" is a respectable position. I doubt it is the one held by most first-ballot deniers, but up until recently, it fit in pretty well.

            Now, voters may be more polarized and less apt to consult their peers' opinions if different. (c/o Nate Silver)
            Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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            • Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
              The freemasons are keeping Piazza out of the HoF. Its part of their secret doctrine. Why they put the Latin American lodges on it, I don't know.
              That's pretty funny.
              Cleon Jones catches a deep fly ball in F. Scott Fitzgerald's Valley of the Ashes, and a second-grader smiles in front of the black and white television.

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              • Everybody Was Kung Fu Fighting...Including Piazza?! xD

                http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...pR5RYA.EHQtDMD

                "A biography of Mike Piazza comes out Tuesday, and he reportedly addresses everything you'd want a Mike Piazza bio to address. Did he do steroids? ("No.") Should he be in the Hall of Fame? ("Yes.") What was up with that "I'm not gay" press conference? (???) And does he still hold a grudge against Roger Clemens?

                During the 2000 regular season, Clemens struck Piazza in the helmet with a pitch, giving everyone a juicy subtext for the next time they met — later that season in the World Series. The New York Post (spolier alert!) has read the book for Piazza's recollection:

                Piazza tells how he mapped out a plan for revenge — taking karate lessons and visualizing the next time they would go at it.

                I would approach with my fist pulled back. I figured he’d throw his glove out for protection. I’d parry the glove and then get after it,” Piazza writes.
                He would get his chance in October — when the upstart Mets met their crosstown rivals in the World Series. The coming confrontation between the Mets’ 12-time All-Star catcher and the Bombers’ hard-case hurler was the talk of the city."

                Wow Mike, lol...happy you didn't fight in the end, but wow...nobody messes with Mike Piazza--

                He might not be able to throw to 2nd base without bouncing it, but he can blast one out of the stadium or karate chop a runner coming home! xD

                STILL my favorite player ever!
                "Ya Gotta Believe!" -Tug McGraw ... "How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life." -James T. Kirk ... "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -Sherlock Holmes ... "It is out of the deepest depth that the highest must come to its height." -Friedrich Nietzsche ... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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                • Love Mike Piazza - I'll be reading his book soon.

                  I'm glad he didn't fight Clemens.

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                  • Originally posted by Shea Knight View Post
                    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...pR5RYA.EHQtDMD

                    "A biography of Mike Piazza comes out Tuesday, and he reportedly addresses everything you'd want a Mike Piazza bio to address. Did he do steroids? ("No.") Should he be in the Hall of Fame? ("Yes.") What was up with that "I'm not gay" press conference? (???) And does he still hold a grudge against Roger Clemens?

                    During the 2000 regular season, Clemens struck Piazza in the helmet with a pitch, giving everyone a juicy subtext for the next time they met — later that season in the World Series. The New York Post (spolier alert!) has read the book for Piazza's recollection:

                    Piazza tells how he mapped out a plan for revenge — taking karate lessons and visualizing the next time they would go at it.

                    I would approach with my fist pulled back. I figured he’d throw his glove out for protection. I’d parry the glove and then get after it,” Piazza writes.
                    He would get his chance in October — when the upstart Mets met their crosstown rivals in the World Series. The coming confrontation between the Mets’ 12-time All-Star catcher and the Bombers’ hard-case hurler was the talk of the city."

                    Wow Mike, lol...happy you didn't fight in the end, but wow...nobody messes with Mike Piazza--

                    He might not be able to throw to 2nd base without bouncing it, but he can blast one out of the stadium or karate chop a runner coming home! xD

                    STILL my favorite player ever!
                    I was disappointed that he didnt go after Clemens. I still am. Obviously so was Piazza.

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                    • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
                      I was disappointed that he didnt go after Clemens. I still am. Obviously so was Piazza.
                      It's a question of team culture. The 1986 Mets would have gang tackled Clemens. One of Fred Wilpon's main priorities when he hijacked the team after 1986 was to neuter it. Trading Kevin Mitchell for Kevin McReynolds was the first and clearest example of the brain transplant which would occur.

                      Piazza might not have been a fighter, but I guarantee if he'd been there in 1986 he'd never have tolerated that. The whole environment was different. I believe the rest of the team would have been in the infield before Piazza had reached the mound. I consider Piazza's reaction a symptom of the generally dispassionate, dismal atmosphere that's hung over the team since Wilpon actively remade its image.

                      This incident encapsulates why I found the mid-80s teams so satisfying and subsequent teams so dissatisfying.


                      "The Fightin' Met With Two Heads" - Mike Tyson/Ray Knight!

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                      • Originally posted by Mongoose View Post
                        It's a question of team culture. The 1986 Mets would have gang tackled Clemens. One of Fred Wilpon's main priorities when he hijacked the team after 1986 was to neuter it. Trading Kevin Mitchell for Kevin McReynolds was the first and clearest example of the brain transplant which would occur.

                        Piazza might not have been a fighter, but I guarantee if he'd been there in 1986 he'd never have tolerated that. The whole environment was different. I believe the rest of the team would have been in the infield before Piazza had reached the mound. I consider Piazza's reaction a symptom of the generally dispassionate, dismal atmosphere that's hung over the team since Wilpon actively remade its image.

                        This incident encapsulates why I found the mid-80s teams so satisfying and subsequent teams so dissatisfying.
                        Couldn't agree more. Most people on this board disagree with our opinion. They say the team needed him and charging the mound wouldn't prove anything except to lose our best player.

                        I say it may have sacrificed that game, but they lost anyway. To me it would have showed we don't take that $@&t. Especially after Piazza was put in the hospital by the same douche bag. Mike Hampton said "we were all on the top step waiting to go, but Mike didn't so we didn't"

                        Obviously Piazza felt he should have done more hence the karate lessons. I always liked Piazza, but I wanted him to go after Clemens. Either the dugout would have emptied right there or Jeter would have had needed surgery to remove the ball from his temple

                        The mid 80's team would have settled this the day Clemens put Piazza on his back. They wouldnt have waited until October.

                        More embarrassing was Shawn Estes' feeble pitch behind Clemens the next season.
                        Last edited by Paulypal; 02-13-2013, 07:26 PM.

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                        • I bet alot of people wish they could throw at Clemens head. Shame that we had to rely on Shawn Estes for revenge. Coulda used a Maracial, or Gibson there.
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