How does something like this happen? I never bought into most of the talk about him being an absolutely awful RF, but a Gold Glover? Is this a sick joke?
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Originally posted by MasonDixon
How does something like this happen? I never bought into most of the talk about him being an absolutely awful RF, but a Gold Glover? Is this a sick joke?
Is there a rightfielder who fields his position worse than Abreu? Is there anybody less willing to injure himself in pursuit of a fly ball?
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Originally posted by MasonDixon
Is this a sick joke?"For who? For what?" - Ricky Watters
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Originally posted by johncapIt's all about rep. He enhanced his overall rep by hitting all those homers at the AS game. What a joke. Did you hear Gillick gushing about him and Burrell today? Yikes! Gonna be another long year next year!
as for Abreu, who is better in the NL? the only other option may be Guillen...
Walker is too old and hobbled up, and a lot of the other RFs were journeymen or young guys...
Great Ball Teams: Tigers '68, Phils '80, Tigers '84
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Originally posted by LP fanSometimes you can overlook a good thing when its right in front of you. Abreu is a quality major league outfielder, and has been for years. Burrell is getting close. Rollins is on the verge of being a great player...Utley and Howard look like they have potential.... there is a good nucleus here...
as for Abreu, who is better in the NL? the only other option may be Guillen...
Walker is too old and hobbled up, and a lot of the other RFs were journeymen or young guys...
Other than that he's great. Let's hope to God Stand Pat doesn't stand pat. Neither of the corner outfielders hits in the clutch and neither is downright dependable when it really counts.
Hell, third inning, 5-1 game, both are superstars. Loosey goosey, dynamite. Eigth inning, 3-3 game, they both melt like spring snow on a chimney top.
Abreu is the FIRST move I make. Especially now that he's got another crown to add to his trade value. Because mark my words, in two years he'll be a run of the mill .265 hitter who's timid in the outfield and will have ZERO trade value. Which is what makes him our kind of guy.
To answer your question, I'd take Jeff Francouer, Shawn Green, absolutely Brian Giles, today, over him in the NL, and in the AL there aren't too many I WOULDN'T take over him!
This year get the MLB package and watch some Phillies games. You'll be enlightened.
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Originally posted by johncapAnd sometimes the old adage, "there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics" rears it's ugly head. The guy is a stone cold dog! Roof roof! He's petrified of the fence and quits on more balls than Tony Gonzalez (the baseball player, not the tight end), he makes more mental mistakes than Jeff Stone and he's the LEAST clutch ~.300 hitter in the majors.
Other than that he's great. Let's hope to God Stand Pat doesn't stand pat. Neither of the corner outfielders hits in the clutch and neither is downright dependable when it really counts.
Hell, third inning, 5-1 game, both are superstars. Loosey goosey, dynamite. Eigth inning, 3-3 game, they both melt like spring snow on a chimney top.
Abreu is the FIRST move I make. Especially now that he's got another crown to add to his trade value. Because mark my words, in two years he'll be a run of the mill .265 hitter who's timid in the outfield and will have ZERO trade value. Which is what makes him our kind of guy.
To answer your question, I'd take Jeff Francouer, Shawn Green, absolutely Brian Giles, today, over him in the NL, and in the AL there aren't too many I WOULDN'T take over him!
This year get the MLB package and watch some Phillies games. You'll be enlightened.
Abreu's steadiness finally got him noticed. Runners have long ago stopped challenging his cannon arm and he rarely leaves his feet, but the Venezuelan seldom misses a game -- or a play that has to be made.
2005 GOLD GLOVE WINNERS
P Kenny Rogers 4 Greg Maddux 15
C Jason Varitek 1 Mike Matheny 4
1B Mark Teixeira 1 Derrek Lee 2
2B Orlando Hudson 1 Luis Castillo 3
SS Derek Jeter 2 Omar Vizquel 10
3B Eric Chavez 5 Mike Lowell 1
OF Torii Hunter 5 Andruw Jones 8
OF Vernon Wells 2 Jim Edmonds 8
OF Ichiro Suzuki 5 Bobby Abreu 1
all those managers and coaches can't be that wrong.....and they all have pretty good seats to watch the games from....Francoeur? he's only played a half year..aren't you jumping the gun a bit???
Great Ball Teams: Tigers '68, Phils '80, Tigers '84
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Originally posted by LP fan
all those managers and coaches can't be that wrong.....and they all have pretty good seats to watch the games from....Francoeur? he's only played a half year..aren't you jumping the gun a bit???Last edited by johncap; 11-03-2005, 08:18 AM.
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Originally posted by LP fananother point of view:
Abreu's steadiness finally got him noticed. Runners have long ago stopped challenging his cannon arm and he rarely leaves his feet, but the Venezuelan seldom misses a game -- or a play that has to be made.
2005 GOLD GLOVE WINNERS
P Kenny Rogers 4 Greg Maddux 15
C Jason Varitek 1 Mike Matheny 4
1B Mark Teixeira 1 Derrek Lee 2
2B Orlando Hudson 1 Luis Castillo 3
SS Derek Jeter 2 Omar Vizquel 10
3B Eric Chavez 5 Mike Lowell 1
OF Torii Hunter 5 Andruw Jones 8
OF Vernon Wells 2 Jim Edmonds 8
OF Ichiro Suzuki 5 Bobby Abreu 1
all those managers and coaches can't be that wrong.....and they all have pretty good seats to watch the games from....Francoeur? he's only played a half year..aren't you jumping the gun a bit???
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Originally posted by johncapTo answer your question, I'd take Jeff Francouer, Shawn Green, absolutely Brian Giles, today, over him in the NL, and in the AL there aren't too many I WOULDN'T take over him!
This year get the MLB package and watch some Phillies games. You'll be enlightened.
At bats per year: Abreu 565; Giles 503 abreu is either more durable or puts the ball into play more;
runs per year: Abreu 104; Giles 92 - you're giving up some runs scored
RBIs per year: Abreu 94; Giles 92 - pretty much a wash
HR per year: Abreu 23; Giles 27 - pretty much a wash
offensively, abreu is better with runs scored and stolen bases
Fielding:
Total chances per year: Abreu 309; Giles 294
Abreu gets to more balls per year - so that timid stuff is just a load of cr#p
Put outs per year: Abreu 293; Giles 280 - encore
Assists per year: Abreu 10.6; Giles 8.4
Errors per year: Abreu 5.5; Giles 5.78
FPCT: Abreu 0.982; Giles 0.981
Abreu is a better right fielder - no contest
maybe you need to get the mlb package and watch some more padres games
Great Ball Teams: Tigers '68, Phils '80, Tigers '84
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