Phillies and Free Speech

[donzblock]

A Phillies' fan holds up a sheet at the Vet that says "Travis Leave!" A Phillies' lawyer tells the fan to get rid of the sheet or lose his seat. Who is right here?

[bly11]

RE: Phillies and Free Speech

Definitely the fan. He's not trying to incite a riot, he's not slandering anyone. Gosh, if the lawyers have their way with things like this, what next? No cussing out the players? You'd depopulate Yankee Stadium ...

bly11
("The first thing we'll do, we'll kill all the lawyers" -- William Shakespeare, from "Henry IV", I believe)

[donzblock]

RE: Phillies and Free Speech

Henry VI

[bly11]

RE: Phillies and Free Speech

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jun-10-02 AT 12:49 PM (EDT)]Whatever.

bly11

[donzblock]

RE: Phillies and Free Speech

Whatever, hell! Now you find out if it was part 1, 2, or 3! Then we'll kill'em! As for the Phillies and free speech, you can understand why such a wretched organization would want to censor a fan. And I think that the largely empty seats in the new Detroit ballpark foreshadow what the new Phillies' park will look like when it opens.

[LouGehrig]

RE: Phillies and Free Speech

This should be posted on the Current Events forum as well since Seattle banned "Yankees Suck" shirts and then backed down, and the Yankees ban Boston Sucks from shirts and from being stated at the Big Ballpark in the Bronx.

MLB forums, including the Yankees forum, ban "sucks." It becomes ####. Amazingly, MLB is so obsessed with political correctness, it bans "Jew" from being posted.

The Bleacher Bums in right field $8 ticket)are only a few feet away from the right field box seats ($33 ticket). For years, the Bleacher Bums have been shouting to the box seat patrons that "Box Seats Suck." When David Cone sat with them a few months ago, he tried to appear as if he were (or were not) shouting with them. He made it difficult to determine if he were actually shouting with them.

The Philles situation is the same. Once we pay to get in, we give away any Constitutional rights management wants to take from us. It may be wrong, but it is legal.

The last time I posted that censorship in any form is wrong, most people on this forum disagreed. That is there right. It is my right to think censorship is wrong.

[donzblock]

RE: Phillies and Free Speech

Of course you are being polite when you acknowledge that people have the right to say that some forms of censorship are justified. However, politeness aside, the right to say something in this case is beside the point. Obviously, people have the right to express an opinion. The question is whether that opinion is right or wrong. Those people who continue to insist that opinions can be neither are wrong. (Are we talking about the "right" that means "correct" or the "right" that means "legal"?) As for censorship, I agree with you, Lou, without qualification.

[W_Marone]

What happened to all these guys? where did they go? Who is right? The fan, travis lee was well.. a bum, but besides howard and thome at first who wasnt? hahaha compared to those two guys.

[Imapotato]

They left because of free speech here....as noted by the thread that was recently locked

[W_Marone]

FREE SPEECH, hmmmm??? No wonder they're gone.