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  • Greatest Phillies Player Poll 7

    After two ties in a row, we got an outright winner for the #6 spot on the all-time Greatest Phillies Player Poll, as "Big Ed" Delahanty took it with 5 of the 9 votes. No one else got more than 1 vote.

    We now move on to the #7 spot, and the competition should be getting tighter. Chuck Klein, Del Ennis, Billy Hamilton, Jim Bunning, and Gavvy Cravath could each vie for the next slot.


    Remember, you are voting for the best player on this list as a Phillie only. This poll will close in 4 days.

    Please post any suggestions on players who you think should be added to the ballot as we go along.
    6
    Bobby Abreu (1998-2006)
    0.00%
    0
    Dick Allen (1963-1969, 1975-1976)
    0.00%
    0
    Larry Bowa (1970-1981)
    0.00%
    0
    Jim Bunning (1964-1968, 1970-71)
    0.00%
    0
    Johnny Callison (1960-1969)
    0.00%
    0
    Jack Clements (1884-1897)
    0.00%
    0
    Gavvy Cravath (1912-1920)
    0.00%
    0
    Del Ennis (1946-1956)
    16.67%
    1
    Charlie Ferguson (1884-1887)
    0.00%
    0
    Billy Hamilton (1890-1895)
    0.00%
    0
    Chuck Klein (1928-1933, 1936-1939, 1940-1944)
    50.00%
    3
    Nap Lajoie (1896-1900)
    0.00%
    0
    Greg Luzinski (1970-1980)
    0.00%
    0
    Sherry Magee (1904-1914)
    16.67%
    1
    Tug McGraw (1975-1984)
    0.00%
    0
    Jimmy Rollins (2000-present)
    16.67%
    1
    Curt Schilling (1992-2000)
    0.00%
    0
    Chris Short (1959-1972)
    0.00%
    0
    Curt Simmons (1947-1960)
    0.00%
    0
    Sam Thompson (1889-1898)
    0.00%
    0
    Other (please specify)
    0.00%
    0

    The poll is expired.


  • #2
    Our all-time Phillies player list currently stands as:

    1) Mike Schmidt (3B, 1972-1989)
    2) Grover Cleveland Alexander (SP, 1911-1917, 1930)
    3) Steve Carlton (SP, 1972-1986)
    4) Robin Roberts (SP, 1948-1961)
    5) Richie Ashburn (OF, 1948-1959)
    6) Ed Delahanty (INF-OF, 1888-1889, 1891-1901)
    7) ??? (vote today!)

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    • #3
      For me, this round comes down to Klein or Cravath. I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet.

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      • #4
        Just doing a little leaderboard comparison between Klein and Cravath to help me make a choice. Both are pretty impressive.

        Remember, of course, that these are just for seasons in which they played for the Phillies.

        BATTING AVG - Klein made the top ten 5 times, led the league 1 time; Cravath made the top ten 2 times.

        OBA - Klein 4 times, led 1; Cravath 5 times, led 2.

        SLG - Klein 7 times, led 3; Cravath 6 times, led 2.

        OPS - Klein 6 times, led 3; Cravath 5 times, led 3.

        Runs - Klein 6 times, led 3; Cravath 1 time, led 1.

        Hits - Klein 5 times, led 1; Cravath 1 time, led 1.

        Total Bases - Klein 6 times, led 4; Cravath 4 times, led 2.

        Doubles - Klein 5 times, led 2; Cravath 5 times, led 0.

        Triples - Klein 1 time, led 0; Cravath 3 times.

        Home Runs - Klein 6 times, led 4; Cravath 8 times, led 6.

        RBI - Klein 6 times, led 2; Cravath 5 times, led 2.

        Runs created - Klein 6 times, led 4; Cravath 5 times, led 2.


        Klein would appear to have the edge by these measures. He had more time to do it, having appeared in 15 seasons with the Phillies to Cravath's 8, but some of Klein's were partial season (and 1944 consisted of just 7 AB's). Also, all of Klein's achievements collected here occured during his initial 6 year tenure with the Phils from 1928-33, except for his leaderboard apperances in 1936 when he started the season in Chicago before being traded back to Philadelphia in May.

        I think that this excersize has convinced me to vote for Klein in this spot, but it has also reminded me how good Gavvy was. Those 6 NL home run titles in 8 years are pretty impressive (and he finished third each of the other two). He's gotta be my frontrunner for the #8 spot.
        Last edited by TheoBallgame; 11-28-2007, 11:35 PM.

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        • #5
          There's a major problem with Klein:

          From AG2004's Keltner List entry on Klein
          9. Is there any evidence to suggest that the player was significantly better or worse than is suggested by his statistics?

          Klein’s peak came in the heart of a hitter’s era, and his home field at that point was one of the best hitter’s parks in baseball. Both inflate his raw numbers. Klein had a BA/HR/RBI per 154 games of .397/44/158 in his 578 games in the Baker Bowl, and a BA/HR/RBI per 154 games of .277/18/80 in his 1175 games at all other parks.
          .277/18/80 in Klein's day is at best questionably worth keeping a starting corner outfield spot in that time. It will be quite a while before I'm willing to vote for Chuck.

          Jim Albright
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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          • #6
            That's a pretty big gap I'll admit, but was it that big during his peak years of '29-33?

            Dammit jalbright, you've made me second-guess my vote now!

            Interesting pick with Magee, who I rate highly, but below Cravath. Just out of curiosity, where do you rank Gavvy?

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            • #7
              Quoted from post #27 in the HOF forum thread on Klein:
              We're essentially debating about his performance between 1929 and 1933. Here are his splits for those years...

              Klein 1929, Overall: .356/.407/.657, 43 HR, 145 RBI
              Klein 1929, home: .391/.434/.734, 25 HR, 78 RBI
              Klein 1929, road: .321/.382/.583, 18 HR, 67 RBI

              Klein 1930, Overall: .386/.436/.687, 40 HR, 170 RBI
              Klein 1930, home: .439/.483/.794, 26 HR, 109 RBI
              Klein 1930, road: .332/.389/.578, 14 HR, 61 RBI

              Klein 1931, Overall: .337/.398/.584, 31 HR, 121 RBI
              Klein 1931, home: .407/.470/.751, 22 HR, 78 RBI
              Klein 1931, road: .266/.323/.418, 9 HR, 43 RBI

              Klein 1932, Overall: .348/.404/.646, 38 HR, 137 RBI
              Klein 1932, home: .423/.469/.799, 29 HR, 97 RBI
              Klein 1932, road: .266/.334/.481, 9 HR, 40 RBI

              Klein 1933, Overall: .368/.422/.602, 28 HR, 120 RBI
              Klein 1933, home: .467/.516/.789, 20 HR, 81 RBI
              Klein 1933, road: .280/.338/.436, 8 HR, 39 RBI
              I like Magee because he spent 10 years in Philly and had what I consider a HOF caliber career. Cravath didn't get established until he got to Philly and the Baker Bowl, and I suspect he had a large home/road differential as well in part from that fact. I don't think he's a HOF caliber player, so he's down the list a bit.

              Jim Albright
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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              • #8
                Klein wins this one,... hope we can get more than 6 voters in each of the next few rounds, which could be very competitive. I'd at least like to get to 10.

                New poll will be up later today.

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