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  • #16
    I would assume for now our rotation would be Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Moyer and Happ.

    When Pedro is ready to start, Happ back to the bullpen? That is when things get interesting.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by kjc15600 View Post
      I would assume for now our rotation would be Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Moyer and Happ.

      When Pedro is ready to start, Happ back to the bullpen? That is when things get interesting.
      How could they possibly send Happ back to the bullpen and keep Moyer?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by PhanInPhlorida View Post
        the catcher and third base positions are not something that needs to be a priority with the other pieces in place at other positions. certainly not something that would hinder an improvement at the top of the rotation for the rest of this year and next year.
        especially when Donald only has three career games at 3rd base.
        If Marson was good enough to push Ruiz off the starting catcher job and if Donald was good enough to take the job from Feliz (rather than pay him $5M next year), you'd be putting two younger guys on the team, solidifying those spots for years while improving the lineup, and saving money you could use elsewhere. If both those things would happen, then the trade for Lee was quite expensive. I think the Phils didn't believe both would happen, which makes the deal worthwhile. I don't have any great reason to believe both would happen, but if the Phils miscalculated there, they could have seriously overpaid for Lee, and tilted awfully heavily toward lefty starters to boot. In sum, if one assumes the Phils properly evaluated what they gave up, it's a good deal. If they underestimated it, they might regret it someday (remember Bowa and the throw-in Sandberg for DeJesus, anyone?). It's a standard caution when you give up young talent.

        OTOH, if Lee helps them win another Series in the next two years and they haven't paid with at least two star players, it won't feel too bad.
        Last edited by jalbright; 07-30-2009, 07:29 AM.
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        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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        • #19
          The price for Lee was very steep (four prospects all rated in the top 10 prospects of the Phillies orgainization by Baseball America, with catcher Lou Marson having some major league experience). If three of the four prospects that the Phillies packaged for Lee turn out to be solid major leaguers, then Cleveland will be the eventual winner in this deal. It may someday be regarded as a deal that helped both clubs.

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          • #20
            Isn't it amazing?

            Baseball Fever used to be filled with comments trashing Charlie Manuel. They seem to have vanished. Wonder why? Then, we heard what fools the Phillies' management were for hiring the inexperienced and incompetent Reuben Amaro. Now that he's traded for Lee, suddenly he's a genius. Amazing how success forces the whiners back into their holes, which is where they belong all the time. They should go to the Pirates board. Then they would have something legitimate to whine about.

            Now that the Phillies have a pitcher named Lee on the squad, shouldn't they start looking for a catcher named Grant?

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            • #21
              Lee and Grant

              I CHARGE you with trying to PICKET a fight. Or are you just STONEWALLING?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Philly-brownsfan View Post
                The price for Lee was very steep (four prospects all rated in the top 10 prospects of the Phillies orgainization by Baseball America, with catcher Lou Marson having some major league experience). If three of the four prospects that the Phillies packaged for Lee turn out to be solid major leaguers, then Cleveland will be the eventual winner in this deal. It may someday be regarded as a deal that helped both clubs.
                The Phillies were asked to give up a lot more than what they gave up. Ruben certainly didn't sell the farm but he did make a move to put the Phillies in contention for the World Series the next two years.

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                • #23
                  Lee sporting the new duds....

                  "After my fourth season I asked for $43,000 and General Manager Ed Barrow told me, 'Young man, do you realize Lou Gehrig, a 16-year-man, is playing for only $44,000?' I said, Mr. Barrow, there is only one answer to that - Mr. Gehrig is terribly underpaid."- Yankees outfielder Joe DiMaggio

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