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    of the National League? The dominant team for years to come and a healthy farm system.

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    After Tallying Recent Moves Will The Phillies Come Out Ahead?

    Originally posted by Richard View Post
    of the National League? The dominant team for years to come and a healthy farm system.
    They proably have sent too many of their best prospects out of the organization for one to term their farm system as healthy. Like a few years ago when the Phillies were only marginal contenders, they have their best guys down at the lower levels of their minor leagues' chain and only a few of their highest rated minor leaguers who will play at High A Clearwater or higher this year.
    The Phillies are designed to win NOW, with several all-stars in their lineup and pitching staff. I don't see them as very deep once you get beyond their staring lineup, top of their rotation, and a couple of key relievers, however.

    They've spent their money on Free Agent veterans and players like Jayson Werth and Shane Victorino, who they obtained cheaply, have blossomed as Phillies.
    However, they've sacrificed in the area of home grown talent the past three years. Here's a few of the youngsters the've sacrificed since 2007. Without an infusion of young talent soon, the Phillies will soon be one of the oldest major league teams.

    Kyle Drabek (Toronto); Michael Taylor (Oakland); Jason Jarmillo (Pittsburgh); Lou Marson (Cleveland); Carlos Carrasco (Cleveland); JASON DONALD (CLEVELAND); Gio Gonzalez (Oakland); Adrian Cardenas (Oakland); Matt Maloney (Cincinnati); Josh Outman (Oakland); Michael Bourn (Houston); Gavin Floyd (Chicago-AL).

    They need some top players at lower levels such as Anthony Gose to develop quickly and they could use a very strong Amateur Draft in JUNE 2010.
    Last edited by philliesfiend55; 01-03-2010, 07:49 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Philly-brownsfan View Post
      They proably have sent too many of their best prospects out of the organization for one to term their farm system as healthy. Like a few years ago when the Phillies were only marginal contenders, they have their best guys down at the lower levels of their minor leagues' chain and only a few of their highest rated minor leaguers who will play at High A Clearwater or higher this year.
      The Phillies are designed to win NOW, with several all-stars in their lineup and pitching staff. I don't see them as very deep once you get beyond their staring lineup, top of their rotation, and a couple of key relievers, however.

      They've spent their money on Free Agent veterans and players like Jayson Werth and Shane Victorino, who they obtained cheaply, have blossomed as Phillies.
      However, they've sacrificed in the area of home grown talent the past three years. Here's a few of the youngsters the've sacrificed since 2007. Without an infusion of young talent soon, the Phillies will soon be one of the oldest major league teams.

      Kyle Drabek (Toronto); Michael Taylor (Oakland); Jason Jarmillo (Pittsburgh); Lou Marson (Cleveland); Carlos Carrasco (Cleveland); JASON DONALD (CLEVELAND); Gio Gonzalez (Oakland); Adrian Cardenas (Oakland); Matt Maloney (Cincinnati); Josh Outman (Oakland); Michael Bourn (Houston); Gavin Floyd (Chicago-AL).

      They need some top players at lower levels such as Anthony Gose to develop quickly and they could use a very strong Amateur Draft in JUNE 2010.
      A lot of those guys are not exactly top prospects. Drabek and Taylor sure, but Marson?

      They have a great core in its prime. I could see the Phillies being the dominant team in the NL for a few years if they can keep that together, but it will be pricy.

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      • #4
        The Phillies have some nice stock even in the Minors. They have youngsters coming up pitching like JA Happ who is going to be a stud. Also have Mayberry coming up I have no idea where he's going to play but he can hit the cover off the ball. The Phillies are looking pretty good. Was at their spring training practice today as well. Hopin this will be the year my Bravos take back the east!
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        • #5
          The Phillies aren't exactly that young. Rollins already appears to be slipping. Howard's not the type of player who typically ages well, and he's going to be 30. Even Victorino is going to be 29. Their position players were the 2nd oldest in the NL last year, and their pitchers were the oldest (though Moyer skews that number).

          The certainly have the feel of a team that could fall apart in a hurry, and then we'll all be wondering why we thought they were going to be great for the next few years.

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          • #6
            The Phillies have a long history of trading away their best farm prospects. If the had managed their system well from 1920 on they might have been the Yankees - but they sold off too many players to make money
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mwiggins View Post
              The Phillies aren't exactly that young. Rollins already appears to be slipping. Howard's not the type of player who typically ages well, and he's going to be 30. Even Victorino is going to be 29. Their position players were the 2nd oldest in the NL last year, and their pitchers were the oldest (though Moyer skews that number).

              The certainly have the feel of a team that could fall apart in a hurry, and then we'll all be wondering why we thought they were going to be great for the next few years.
              The Phillies core is in it's prime. Isn't a ballplayers prime generally considered to be 28-32?

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              • #8
                Most of the Phils are in the middle of their prime- ages 28-32. The Mets core players- Reyes is 26, Wright is 27 and Beltran is 32 so except for Beltran they haven't reached the beginning of their prime yet. Bay is 31. Murphy and Thole are too young to even know if they will stick in the big leagues. The Phils are a now team who could become a Yankee type team if management is willing to pump in $50m to $100m periodically to Free Agent payroll like the Yanks do.

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                • #9
                  The Phillies having their own TV network would be a big help.

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                  • #10
                    Yes, I think the Phils could be the dominant team in the NL ... but they will never spend like the Yanks.
                    “If you didn't like Harry Kalas, you didn't like anybody.” – Bob Uecker

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                    • #11
                      The Phillies are selling tickets at a record rate. Phillies fans are great!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by killebrewski View Post
                        Yes, I think the Phils could be the dominant team in the NL ... but they will never spend like the Yanks.
                        The only way they'll be able to spend like the Yankees is if they get their own network.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Richard View Post
                          The Phillies are selling tickets at a record rate. Phillies fans are great!

                          Yeah, over 3 million sold already! Not bad for a "football town." LOL!

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                          • #14
                            Regarding the 'football town' comment regarding Philly, how far are the Phillies in terms of popularity from the Eagles?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Richard View Post
                              Regarding the 'football town' comment regarding Philly, how far are the Phillies in terms of popularity from the Eagles?
                              Currently, Philadelphia is in LOVE with the Phillies and disgusted/tired/emotionally drained with the Eagles. This drives the Eagles front office crazy and they're insanely jealous of the Phillies recent success and popularity. Don't be surprised if the Birds make a big QB move when baseball season opens, hoping to steal some attention from the Phillies.

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