All-time Philladelphia Phillies team

[Knick9]

What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

1B:Nap Lajoie
2B:Mickey Morandini
3B:Scott Rolen
SS:Mike Schmidt
C:Mike Lieberthal
LF:Richie Ashburn
CF:Cy Williams
RF:Gavvy Cravath
Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
Billy Hamilton (1800's)
Sherry Magee
Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)
Chuck Klein (1B/OF)

SP:Curt Schilling
Steve Carlton
Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
Jim Bunning
Eppa Rixey

RP/CP:Robin Roberts
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Ron Reed
Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
Syl Johnson

Manager: Danny Ozark

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Note:The reason for the new all-time team thread is so I can experiment with other all-time teams. You can keep the other thread but there is a different reason for this all-time thread.

[donzblock]

What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

1B:Chuck Klein (OF)
2B:Mickey Morandini
3B:Scott Rolen
SS:Mike Schmidt
C:Mike Lieberthal
LF:Richie Ashburn
CF:Cy Williams
RF:Gavvy Cravath
Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
Billy Hamilton (1800's)
Sherry Magee
Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)

SP:Curt Schilling
Steve Carlton
Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
Jim Bunning
Eppa Rixey

RP/CP:Robin Roberts
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Ron Reed
Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
Syl Johnson

Manager: Danny Ozark

Now surely you are joking about Morandini and Lieberthal. How did Klein end up on first, why is Ashburn in left, and how did Schmidt end up playing shortstop? I would rather see Carl Braun playing shortstop and Harry Gallatin at second base. And how could you omit Sweetwater Clifton? And doesn't Ray Felix merit at least honorable mention? And is it my imagination or have you completely overlooked Ernie Vandeweghe, Max Zazlofsky, Jim Bechtold, the McGuire boys, Ray Lumpp, and Walter Dukes?

[Kroxquo]

What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

1B:Chuck Klein (OF)
2B:Mickey Morandini
3B:Scott Rolen
SS:Mike Schmidt
C:Mike Lieberthal
LF:Richie Ashburn
CF:Cy Williams
RF:Gavvy Cravath
Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
Billy Hamilton (1800's)
Sherry Magee
Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)

SP:Curt Schilling
Steve Carlton
Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
Jim Bunning
Eppa Rixey

RP/CP:Robin Roberts
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Ron Reed
Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
Syl Johnson

Manager: Danny Ozark

You've posted this team as a joke, right? Professor Don has already hit on the highlights of the ridiculousness of this team (Morandini?, Lieberthal?, Klein at first?, Ashburn in left?, Schmidt at SS?) but here are a few more -

- Does the name Robin Roberts, the most dominant pitcher in the NL for nearly decade mean anything to you?

- Mentioning Mickey Morandini at second when Napoleon Lajoie had some of his greatest years with the Phils is absurd. Actually, mentioning Mickey Morandini ahead of even Dave Cash or Tony Taylor is absurd.

- Cy Williams should not come anywhere near cracking this lineup ahead of Delahanty, Thompson, Hamilton, or even Bobby Callison or Greg Luzinski.

- At catcher does the name Bob Boone mean anything to you? Or Darren Daulton? or even Spud Davis?

- The Professor must be having an off-day in not mentioning the fact that you mistakenly included Bobby Abreu on your list.

Go back and look through the old threads here in the Phils forum and check out the polls for greatest player at each position as well the already existing all-time Phils team thread.

[Knick9]

I know that I won't make everyone happy with my picks, which is why I give others the 'go ahead' to post their own all-time team.

-Bobby Abreu, for one, has a good hitting %, which has been good enough for his career in Philly.

-I have Robin Roberts included, he apparently was at his best in save oppurtunities.

-I never think of myself as a professor, but I know you were joking.

-It is hard to choose from a team that has as long of a history as the Phillies. I expected to see comments because of the history alone.

-You have a point on Nap Lajoie.

-No changes to my starting Catcher.

[chanceron]

All-time Philladelphia Phillies team

Your team of course has some greats, my first thought is at SS. I believe putting Mike Schmidt there is a bit of a stretch. He played 24 games at SS for the Phillies, which to me doesnt put him ahead of Larry Bowa and (Rowdy Richard) Bartell. Bowa helped the Phils to NL east titles in 76, 77, and 78 not to mention the 1980 World Champions. If Bowa wasnt there I dont believe the Phils would have done all that. And Rowdy was a 20's player that hit over 300 twice for the Phils, before they traded him away as most good Phillies were back then. He continued to play 18 years and was a spark plug for 3 world series teams, which I admire more than just raw numbers. The Phils did get Tom Thevenow and Claude Willoughby for him (i had look up those guys). I mean WHO would remember them. So sorry Rolan, Schmidt belongs at 3B. Thats my 2 cents worth.

[donzblock]

-I have Robin Roberts included, he apparently was at his best in save oppurtunities.

That is true about Roberts. He distrusted the stock market intensely.

Would you be kind enough to explain how Danny Ozark became the all-time Phillies' manager over John Felske or Terry Francona?

[Clockwork]

C: Bob Boone
1B: John Kruk
2B: Placido Polanco (for lack of better options - I compared him to Manny Trillo and Mickey Morandini and I decided to go with him since he's batted pretty well for us)
SS: Larry Bowa
3B: Mike Schmidt
LF: Ed Delhanty
CF: Richie Ashburn
RF: Chuck Klein

Bench:
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Abreu
Jimmy Rollins
Darren Daulton


SP:
Steve Carlton
Grover Cleveland Alexander
Robin Roberts
Jim Bunning
Curt Schilling

RP:
Steve Bedrosian
Tug McGraw
Mitch Williams


Need to fill it out with 5 more relievers and bench players. I'll do that later.

[GIANT]

Now surely you are joking about Morandini and Lieberthal. How did Klein end up on first, why is Ashburn in left, and how did Schmidt end up playing shortstop? I would rather see Carl Braun playing shortstop and Harry Gallatin at second base. And how could you omit Sweetwater Clifton? And doesn't Ray Felix merit at least honorable mention? And is it my imagination or have you completely overlooked Ernie Vandeweghe, Max Zazlofsky, Jim Bechtold, the McGuire boys, Ray Lumpp, and Walter Dukes?

Lest we forget Kenny Sears, Ron Sobie, Frank Selvy, Charlie Tyra, "Jumpin" Johnny Green, Guy Sparrow and Willie "The Whale" Naulls, Bob Nordman and Phil Jordon.

[GIANT]

Andy Seminick Catcher
Greg Luzinski First Base
Granny Hamner Second Base
Larry Bowa Shortstop
Mike Schmidt Third Base
Chuck Klein Left Field
Richie Ashburn Centerfield
Del Enis Right Field
Robin Roberts RHP
Steve Carlton LHP
Jim Konstanty Right Handed Reliever
Tug McGraw Left Handed Reliever
Dallas Green Manager

[HDH]

Had to get Creative

C Jack Clement
1B Ed Delehanty
2B Nap LaJoie
SS Dick Bartell
3B Mike Schmidt
CF Billy Hamilton
RF Chuck Klein
LF Sam Thompson


CF Richi Ashburn
C Bob Boone

SP Pete Alexander
SP Steve Carlton
SP Eppa Rixey
SP Robin Roberts
SP Tully Sparks

RP Tug McGraw

[FrenchyLefebvre]

Hi
Just found this forum so forgive belated reply. But, GEEZ, fans!
I know 1993 was special (I loved the movie "Major League" too! Same thing). But to see Kruk (and the Bull) over Pete Rose at first? NO mention of Rose at all??! Last I heard, those 4256 hits weren't in question, nor how he played and his influence on the teams he PLAYED on until he became a manager.
Philly forgets what he meant to our team when he was here?? He did a HECK of a lot more for the Phillies than Dutch, Kruk & Lenny combined. And he played almost every single day, every season, injuries non withstanding.
This is like forever avoiding listening to classic Jackson Five and 1982-1983's biggest hits because of Present-Day Weird Ma -- er "person". (Although he's worse than Rose, still can't go back and wipe the talent/songs from all existance/memories).
And Mickey Moooorandini over Manny Trillo??

[donzblock]

Where's Pancho Herrera?

[DykstraFan04]

Lots of potential here

I'm sure we could stick many many players in this list.. I vote for Wes Chamberlain, Mitch Williams, and Jeremy Giambi... Give him a couple more months and you can add Tim Worrell too!

[Imapotato]

C-Jack Clements
1b-Fred Luderus
2b-Granny Hamner (i know he was a SS but 2b stunk for us)
3B-Schmidt
SS-Mickey Doolan
LF-Sherry Magee (my fav player of all time over Big Ed)
CF-Dode Paskert (just one of my favs over Hamilton)
RF-Chuck Klein

P-Steve Carlton
P-Pete ALexander
P-Robin Roberts
P-Eppa Rixey
P-Erskine Mayer

notables
LF Ed Delahanty
RF Johnny Calison
CF Cy Williams
CF Roy Thomas
CF Billy Hamilton
RF Sam Thompson
C Spud Davis
CF Richie Ashburn
1B John Kruk
CF Lenny Dykstra
2b Tony Taylor
SS Larry Bowa
LF Del Ennis
2b Juan Samuel
C Darren Daulton
2b Otto Knabe
CF Garry Maddox

Knabe was a sac fly king...Ennis over Luzinski...just because he was more all around a better player...I tried to pick and choose positions but the Phillies have been weak at C and 1B while really heavy in CF
Pete Rose, Nap Lajoie and Elmer Flick are not Phillies, and I will never consider them to be...they are associated with another team (Reds and Naps) if you ask any baseball historian

Pitching Notables

Tully Sparks
Earl Moore "Crossfire"!!
Curt Schilling
Chris Short ( a forgotten Philly legacy)
"The Curveless Wonder" AL Orth
Jim Bunning
Robert Person (I just loved Robert on the mound and he was a nice man)
Curt Simmons

[FrenchyLefebvre]

<<<Pete Rose, Nap ... are not Phillies, and I will never consider them to be...>>>>

Imapotato, you've got me totally perplexed, as you have Lenny Dykstra (Mr. '86 Met) and John Kruk ON your list. These guys did more for the Phillies over more years/games than Rose did? Or were there even more contenders/playoff appearances with those guys?
I'll bet Von Hayes and Juan Samuel produced more -- and for more years -than those two (plus Dutch, due to always being injured).
If this thread was for "favorite", no confusion. But Greatest Phillies??
My list would be almost identical to most posted with the exception of Dutch, Lenny & Kruk --and not leaving out Garry Lee (on some). They had ONE really GREAT year together (as Phillies). But, individually, it's an insult, IMO, to the GREAT Phillies to lump 'em in there ;>)