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    What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

    Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

    1B:Nap Lajoie
    2B:Mickey Morandini
    3B:Scott Rolen
    SS:Mike Schmidt
    C:Mike Lieberthal
    LF:Richie Ashburn
    CF:Cy Williams
    RF:Gavvy Cravath
    Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
    Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
    Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
    Billy Hamilton (1800's)
    Sherry Magee
    Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)
    Chuck Klein (1B/OF)

    SP:Curt Schilling
    Steve Carlton
    Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
    Jim Bunning
    Eppa Rixey

    RP/CP:Robin Roberts
    Steve Bedrosian
    Tug McGraw
    Ron Reed
    Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
    Syl Johnson

    Manager: Danny Ozark

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    Note:The reason for the new all-time team thread is so I can experiment with other all-time teams. You can keep the other thread but there is a different reason for this all-time thread.
    Last edited by Knick9; 03-20-2005, 08:51 AM.
    My Top 4 funniest BBF posts ever:

    1) "plZ dOn;t' pOsT LikE tHIs n e mOr!"

    2) "The teams play 1962 games in 180 days."

    3) "Stadiums don't move silly, people do."

    4) "Once again you quibble, because it is I who speaks."

    5) Almost anything RuthMayBond says...

  • #2
    Originally posted by Knick9
    What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

    Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

    1B:Chuck Klein (OF)
    2B:Mickey Morandini
    3B:Scott Rolen
    SS:Mike Schmidt
    C:Mike Lieberthal
    LF:Richie Ashburn
    CF:Cy Williams
    RF:Gavvy Cravath
    Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
    Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
    Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
    Billy Hamilton (1800's)
    Sherry Magee
    Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)

    SP:Curt Schilling
    Steve Carlton
    Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
    Jim Bunning
    Eppa Rixey

    RP/CP:Robin Roberts
    Steve Bedrosian
    Tug McGraw
    Ron Reed
    Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
    Syl Johnson

    Manager: Danny Ozark
    Now surely you are joking about Morandini and Lieberthal. How did Klein end up on first, why is Ashburn in left, and how did Schmidt end up playing shortstop? I would rather see Carl Braun playing shortstop and Harry Gallatin at second base. And how could you omit Sweetwater Clifton? And doesn't Ray Felix merit at least honorable mention? And is it my imagination or have you completely overlooked Ernie Vandeweghe, Max Zazlofsky, Jim Bechtold, the McGuire boys, Ray Lumpp, and Walter Dukes?
    Last edited by donzblock; 03-20-2005, 03:48 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Knick9
      What's your all-time Philladelphia Phillies team? You can choose which players, to you, were the best players in their careers to play in a Phillies uni.

      Here's my team and feel free to comment.:

      1B:Chuck Klein (OF)
      2B:Mickey Morandini
      3B:Scott Rolen
      SS:Mike Schmidt
      C:Mike Lieberthal
      LF:Richie Ashburn
      CF:Cy Williams
      RF:Gavvy Cravath
      Util:Bobby Abreu (OF)
      Sam Thompson (OF) (Think way back to the 1800's)
      Ed Delahanty (IF/OF) (again, in the 1800's)
      Billy Hamilton (1800's)
      Sherry Magee
      Jimmy Rollins (2B/SS)

      SP:Curt Schilling
      Steve Carlton
      Grover Alexander (5 time strikeout champion, plus two 30+ win seasons)
      Jim Bunning
      Eppa Rixey

      RP/CP:Robin Roberts
      Steve Bedrosian
      Tug McGraw
      Ron Reed
      Mitch Williams (inspite of his career at Philly being 3 seasons...tons of saves)
      Syl Johnson

      Manager: Danny Ozark
      You've posted this team as a joke, right? Professor Don has already hit on the highlights of the ridiculousness of this team (Morandini?, Lieberthal?, Klein at first?, Ashburn in left?, Schmidt at SS?) but here are a few more -

      - Does the name Robin Roberts, the most dominant pitcher in the NL for nearly decade mean anything to you?

      - Mentioning Mickey Morandini at second when Napoleon Lajoie had some of his greatest years with the Phils is absurd. Actually, mentioning Mickey Morandini ahead of even Dave Cash or Tony Taylor is absurd.

      - Cy Williams should not come anywhere near cracking this lineup ahead of Delahanty, Thompson, Hamilton, or even Bobby Callison or Greg Luzinski.

      - At catcher does the name Bob Boone mean anything to you? Or Darren Daulton? or even Spud Davis?

      - The Professor must be having an off-day in not mentioning the fact that you mistakenly included Bobby Abreu on your list.

      Go back and look through the old threads here in the Phils forum and check out the polls for greatest player at each position as well the already existing all-time Phils team thread.
      Let's rid baseball of the pestilence of the DH now and forever!

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      • #4
        I know that I won't make everyone happy with my picks, which is why I give others the 'go ahead' to post their own all-time team.

        -Bobby Abreu, for one, has a good hitting %, which has been good enough for his career in Philly.

        -I have Robin Roberts included, he apparently was at his best in save oppurtunities.

        -I never think of myself as a professor, but I know you were joking.

        -It is hard to choose from a team that has as long of a history as the Phillies. I expected to see comments because of the history alone.

        -You have a point on Nap Lajoie.

        -No changes to my starting Catcher.
        Last edited by Knick9; 03-20-2005, 08:54 AM.
        My Top 4 funniest BBF posts ever:

        1) "plZ dOn;t' pOsT LikE tHIs n e mOr!"

        2) "The teams play 1962 games in 180 days."

        3) "Stadiums don't move silly, people do."

        4) "Once again you quibble, because it is I who speaks."

        5) Almost anything RuthMayBond says...

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        • #5
          All-time Philladelphia Phillies team

          Your team of course has some greats, my first thought is at SS. I believe putting Mike Schmidt there is a bit of a stretch. He played 24 games at SS for the Phillies, which to me doesnt put him ahead of Larry Bowa and (Rowdy Richard) Bartell. Bowa helped the Phils to NL east titles in 76, 77, and 78 not to mention the 1980 World Champions. If Bowa wasnt there I dont believe the Phils would have done all that. And Rowdy was a 20's player that hit over 300 twice for the Phils, before they traded him away as most good Phillies were back then. He continued to play 18 years and was a spark plug for 3 world series teams, which I admire more than just raw numbers. The Phils did get Tom Thevenow and Claude Willoughby for him (i had look up those guys). I mean WHO would remember them. So sorry Rolan, Schmidt belongs at 3B. Thats my 2 cents worth.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Knick9
            -I have Robin Roberts included, he apparently was at his best in save oppurtunities.
            That is true about Roberts. He distrusted the stock market intensely.

            Would you be kind enough to explain how Danny Ozark became the all-time Phillies' manager over John Felske or Terry Francona?
            Last edited by donzblock; 03-20-2005, 10:02 AM.

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            • #7
              C: Bob Boone
              1B: John Kruk
              2B: Placido Polanco (for lack of better options - I compared him to Manny Trillo and Mickey Morandini and I decided to go with him since he's batted pretty well for us)
              SS: Larry Bowa
              3B: Mike Schmidt
              LF: Ed Delhanty
              CF: Richie Ashburn
              RF: Chuck Klein

              Bench:
              Lenny Dykstra
              Bobby Abreu
              Jimmy Rollins
              Darren Daulton


              SP:
              Steve Carlton
              Grover Cleveland Alexander
              Robin Roberts
              Jim Bunning
              Curt Schilling

              RP:
              Steve Bedrosian
              Tug McGraw
              Mitch Williams


              Need to fill it out with 5 more relievers and bench players. I'll do that later.
              Hey, Dad.... wanna have a catch?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by donzblock
                Now surely you are joking about Morandini and Lieberthal. How did Klein end up on first, why is Ashburn in left, and how did Schmidt end up playing shortstop? I would rather see Carl Braun playing shortstop and Harry Gallatin at second base. And how could you omit Sweetwater Clifton? And doesn't Ray Felix merit at least honorable mention? And is it my imagination or have you completely overlooked Ernie Vandeweghe, Max Zazlofsky, Jim Bechtold, the McGuire boys, Ray Lumpp, and Walter Dukes?
                Lest we forget Kenny Sears, Ron Sobie, Frank Selvy, Charlie Tyra, "Jumpin" Johnny Green, Guy Sparrow and Willie "The Whale" Naulls, Bob Nordman and Phil Jordon.

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                • #9
                  Andy Seminick Catcher
                  Greg Luzinski First Base
                  Granny Hamner Second Base
                  Larry Bowa Shortstop
                  Mike Schmidt Third Base
                  Chuck Klein Left Field
                  Richie Ashburn Centerfield
                  Del Enis Right Field
                  Robin Roberts RHP
                  Steve Carlton LHP
                  Jim Konstanty Right Handed Reliever
                  Tug McGraw Left Handed Reliever
                  Dallas Green Manager
                  Last edited by GIANT; 03-21-2005, 11:19 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Had to get Creative

                    C Jack Clement
                    1B Ed Delehanty
                    2B Nap LaJoie
                    SS Dick Bartell
                    3B Mike Schmidt
                    CF Billy Hamilton
                    RF Chuck Klein
                    LF Sam Thompson


                    CF Richi Ashburn
                    C Bob Boone

                    SP Pete Alexander
                    SP Steve Carlton
                    SP Eppa Rixey
                    SP Robin Roberts
                    SP Tully Sparks

                    RP Tug McGraw
                    Last edited by HDH; 03-21-2005, 05:09 PM.
                    In the 1920's, Harry Heilmann led the AL with a .364 average. In addition, he averaged 220 hits, 45 doubles, 12 triples, 16 homers, 110 runs, and 130 RBI.

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                    • #11
                      Hi
                      Just found this forum so forgive belated reply. But, GEEZ, fans!
                      I know 1993 was special (I loved the movie "Major League" too! Same thing). But to see Kruk (and the Bull) over Pete Rose at first? NO mention of Rose at all??! Last I heard, those 4256 hits weren't in question, nor how he played and his influence on the teams he PLAYED on until he became a manager.
                      Philly forgets what he meant to our team when he was here?? He did a HECK of a lot more for the Phillies than Dutch, Kruk & Lenny combined. And he played almost every single day, every season, injuries non withstanding.
                      This is like forever avoiding listening to classic Jackson Five and 1982-1983's biggest hits because of Present-Day Weird Ma -- er "person". (Although he's worse than Rose, still can't go back and wipe the talent/songs from all existance/memories).
                      And Mickey Moooorandini over Manny Trillo??

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                      • #12
                        Where's Pancho Herrera?

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                        • #13
                          Lots of potential here

                          I'm sure we could stick many many players in this list.. I vote for Wes Chamberlain, Mitch Williams, and Jeremy Giambi... Give him a couple more months and you can add Tim Worrell too!

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                          • #14
                            C-Jack Clements
                            1b-Fred Luderus
                            2b-Granny Hamner (i know he was a SS but 2b stunk for us)
                            3B-Schmidt
                            SS-Mickey Doolan
                            LF-Sherry Magee (my fav player of all time over Big Ed)
                            CF-Dode Paskert (just one of my favs over Hamilton)
                            RF-Chuck Klein

                            P-Steve Carlton
                            P-Pete ALexander
                            P-Robin Roberts
                            P-Eppa Rixey
                            P-Erskine Mayer

                            notables
                            LF Ed Delahanty
                            RF Johnny Calison
                            CF Cy Williams
                            CF Roy Thomas
                            CF Billy Hamilton
                            RF Sam Thompson
                            C Spud Davis
                            CF Richie Ashburn
                            1B John Kruk
                            CF Lenny Dykstra
                            2b Tony Taylor
                            SS Larry Bowa
                            LF Del Ennis
                            2b Juan Samuel
                            C Darren Daulton
                            2b Otto Knabe
                            CF Garry Maddox

                            Knabe was a sac fly king...Ennis over Luzinski...just because he was more all around a better player...I tried to pick and choose positions but the Phillies have been weak at C and 1B while really heavy in CF
                            Pete Rose, Nap Lajoie and Elmer Flick are not Phillies, and I will never consider them to be...they are associated with another team (Reds and Naps) if you ask any baseball historian

                            Pitching Notables

                            Tully Sparks
                            Earl Moore "Crossfire"!!
                            Curt Schilling
                            Chris Short ( a forgotten Philly legacy)
                            "The Curveless Wonder" AL Orth
                            Jim Bunning
                            Robert Person (I just loved Robert on the mound and he was a nice man)
                            Curt Simmons

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                            • #15
                              <<<Pete Rose, Nap ... are not Phillies, and I will never consider them to be...>>>>

                              Imapotato, you've got me totally perplexed, as you have Lenny Dykstra (Mr. '86 Met) and John Kruk ON your list. These guys did more for the Phillies over more years/games than Rose did? Or were there even more contenders/playoff appearances with those guys?
                              I'll bet Von Hayes and Juan Samuel produced more -- and for more years -than those two (plus Dutch, due to always being injured).
                              If this thread was for "favorite", no confusion. But Greatest Phillies??
                              My list would be almost identical to most posted with the exception of Dutch, Lenny & Kruk --and not leaving out Garry Lee (on some). They had ONE really GREAT year together (as Phillies). But, individually, it's an insult, IMO, to the GREAT Phillies to lump 'em in there ;>)

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