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  • #16
    Matt Gelb & Bob Brookover from philly.com put together their top-25 list. The link shows more details about the players as well as comments for each by Joe Jordan, the Phillies' director of player development. Here's the link to the article.

    And if you don't feel like reading, here's a quick rundown of the list.

    1. Jesse Biddle
    2. Tommy Joseph
    3. Maikel Franco
    4. Roman Quinn
    5. Jon Pettibone
    6. Phillipe Aumont
    7. Cody Asche
    8. Ethan Martin
    9. Adam Morgan
    10. Darin Ruf
    11. Sebastian Valle
    12. Justin De Fratus
    13. Shane Watson
    14. Cesar Hernandez
    15. Larry Greene, Jr.
    16. Carlos Tocci
    17. Dylan Cozens
    18. Brody Colvin
    19. Kyle Simon
    20. Tyson Gillies
    21. Zach Collier
    22. Ken Giles
    23. Tyler Cloyd
    24. Cameron Rupp
    25. Kelly Dugan
    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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    • #17
      Looking at these lists, I figured I'd toss another into the mix. This player may or may not exist

      He's 23 years old and just completed AA ball as he was drafted out of college. This was his second year in the minors and he's played practically every position on the field in his short minor league career...

      C - 5 games
      1B - 22 games
      2B - 71 games
      3B - 24 games
      SS - 8 games
      OF - 69 games

      Last season, he hit (look at those bases on balls ) :
      Code:
        G   PA   AB   R   H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB  CS   BB  SO  AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS
       
      128  573  448  101 115  14   3   4   52  48  20  109  66 .257  .410  .328  .738
      Looking at what the Phillies have available, where would this player rank in their system?
      "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
        Matt Gelb & Bob Brookover from philly.com put together their top-25 list. The link shows more details about the players as well as comments for each by Joe Jordan, the Phillies' director of player development. Here's the link to the article.

        And if you don't feel like reading, here's a quick rundown of the list.

        1. Jesse Biddle
        2. Tommy Joseph
        3. Maikel Franco
        4. Roman Quinn
        5. Jon Pettibone
        6. Phillipe Aumont
        7. Cody Asche
        8. Ethan Martin
        9. Adam Morgan
        10. Darin Ruf
        11. Sebastian Valle
        12. Justin De Fratus
        13. Shane Watson
        14. Cesar Hernandez
        15. Larry Greene, Jr.
        16. Carlos Tocci
        17. Dylan Cozens
        18. Brody Colvin
        19. Kyle Simon
        20. Tyson Gillies
        21. Zach Collier
        22. Ken Giles
        23. Tyler Cloyd
        24. Cameron Rupp
        25. Kelly Dugan
        If you used Zero Major Leagues Experience as a prerequisite that eliminates four players from the list who've had brief experience in the Major Leagues. (Cloyd, Ruf, Aumont & De Fratus). Then what four players would you add to replace the guys with big leagues experience for spots 22-25?
        I'd pick pitchers Justin Friend & Tyler Knigge and first baseman Cody Overbeck for 22-24 and #25 would be a coin toss between outfielder Leandro Castro and pitcher Julio Rodriguez.

        Some veteran players in the Phillies farm system just missing the cut would include Pitchers Austin Wright, Michael Cisco, and David Buchanan, Outfielders Jiwan James and Steven Susdorf, and Shortstop Troy Hanzawa.
        Last edited by philliesfiend55; 02-05-2013, 06:53 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
          Looking at these lists, I figured I'd toss another into the mix. This player may or may not exist

          He's 23 years old and just completed AA ball as he was drafted out of college. This was his second year in the minors and he's played practically every position on the field in his short minor league career...

          C - 5 games
          1B - 22 games
          2B - 71 games
          3B - 24 games
          SS - 8 games
          OF - 69 games

          Last season, he hit (look at those bases on balls ) :
          Code:
            G   PA   AB   R   H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB  CS   BB  SO  AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS
           
          128  573  448  101 115  14   3   4   52  48  20  109  66 .257  .410  .328  .738
          Looking at what the Phillies have available, where would this player rank in their system?
          Who is it?
          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
            Who is it?
            It's Ruben Amaro Jr . Look at those walks - which helped him get to the major league level. Apparently, he's forgotten about the value of them when seeing his most recent acquisitions.

            On the other hand, it also shows that a .400 OBP kid in the minors doesn't automatically mean he can play at the next level. For those of us who saw Ruben play, it wasn't all that pretty.
            "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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            • #21
              ESPN's Keith Law announced his top-100 yesterday. Not surprisingly, the Phillies are not well-represented (not surprising since Law ranks them as the 27th best system), but found a way to sneak two players on the list. It's pay to view, so I cannot cut n paste the list until I find it somewhere.

              What is surprising maybe is that Adam Morgan (#92) ranks higher than Jesse Biddle (#95).
              "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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              • #22
                Originally posted by philliesfiend55 View Post
                The top 10 Phillies prospects list by Baseball America was released today. (12/17/12).

                RANK-Player - Positiion - Highest level player has played at in career.


                1. Jesse Biddle - LHP - Clearwater. FL, PA (high A).
                2. Roman Quinn - SS - Williamsport, PA (short season A).
                3. Tommy Joseph - C - Reading, PA (AA).
                4. Jonathan Pettibone - RHP - Lehigh Valley- Allentown, PA (AAA).
                5. Adam Morgan - LHP - Reading,PA (AA).
                6. Ethan Martin - RHP - Reading,PA (AA)
                7. Cody Asche - 3B - Reading,PA (AA)
                8. Makiel Franco - 3B - Lakewood,NJ (Low A)
                9. Darin Ruf - LF/1B - Philadelphia (PA) Phillies - MLB - (made major leagues debut Sept. 14, 2012 & played in majors for final 20 days of the season. Recalled form Reading (AA).
                10. Carlos Tocci - OF - Gulf Coast League Phillies, Clearwater, FL - (Rookie League).
                Figured I'd take a look and see how these kids are doing after the first couple of weeks...

                Jesse Biddle (REA) - 14 IP, 3.00 ERA, 10 K, 4 BB, 0.944 WHIP
                Looks solid so far. Could see promotion to AAA by mid-season if he keeps it up.

                Roman Quinn (LWD) - 75 PA, .246 AVG, .297 OBP, .377 SLG, 5 XBH
                We'll see this year if his placement at #2 was based on his projected skills or his age. Had problems fielding the ball during the first week, but has looked a bit better since.

                Tommy Joseph (LHV) - 43 PA, .175 AVG, .233 OBP, .350 SLG, 3 XBH
                Oof. There are some who believe Joseph is a future IB hiding in catcher's gear. Hasn't done much at all - then again, neither has Valle. Somebody's got to step up if the Phils need to make a decision on Ruiz.

                Jonathan Pettibone (LHV) - 9.1 IP, 9.64 ERA, 8 K, 5 BB, 2.143 WHIP
                Getting called up to pitch tonight against Pittsburgh. 21 baserunners allowed in just over nine innings - what's more to say?

                Adam Morgan (LHV) - 19 IP, 1.42 ERA, 13 K, 5 BB, 0.842 WHIP
                Looking great. Could be in Phils rotation late spring or early summer. Maybe he and Biddle advance a level the same day.

                Ethan Martin (LHV) - 13.1 IP, 8.10 ERA, 15 K, 10 BB, 1.575 WHIP
                Pretty simple. If you're walking almost one per inning, you won't survive. He needs to get his control... under control.

                Cody Asche (LHV) - 64 PA, .263 AVG, .344 OBP, .368 SLG, 9 XBH
                Not much to get excited about here. I still don't think his power relates well at 3B, and it could show up this season.

                Maikel Franco (CLW) - 78 PA, .310 AVG, .372 OBP, .521 SLG, 11 XBH
                This is more like it from a power perspective. If he keeps it up, he could be in Reading by the end of the year.

                Darin Ruf (LHV) - 61 PA, .250 AVG, .295 OBP, .393 SLG, 6 XBH
                Is the chanting for Ruf finally over? Something tells me he's seeing a lot of offspeed stuff in AAA that he didn't face as often in the lower levels.

                Carlos Tocci (LWD) - 66 PA, .197 AVG, .246 OBP, .230 SLG, 2 XBH
                Not much to go by here since he's so young. Naturally, we'd like to see a bit more output but if he can simply keep pace near the league averages, it'll be a success.
                "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                • #23
                  Another update on the Phils pre-2013 top prospects.

                  Jesse Biddle (REA) - 36.2 IP, 2.70 ERA, 45 K, 18 BB, 0.927 WHIP (ARROW UP)
                  Really pitching well. Had a 16-strikout game a couple of weeks ago.

                  Roman Quinn (LWD) - 138 PA, .228 AVG, .301 OBP, .325 SLG, 6 XBH (ARROW DOWN)
                  Defense a problem. Has 12 errors already, and that's not acceptable.

                  Tommy Joseph (LHV) - 72 PA, .209 AVG, .264 OBP, .358 SLG, 4 XBH (ARROW DOWN)
                  Been slowed by injury.

                  Jonathan Pettibone (PHI) - 22.1 IP, 3.63 ERA, 14 K, 6 BB, 1.388 WHIP (ARROW UP)
                  Jonathan Pettibone (LHV) - 9.1 IP, 9.64 ERA, 8 K, 5 BB, 2.143 WHIP
                  Still up with the Phillies, so he gets an arrow up simply because he's survived. Doesn't impress with stuff, but we saw others get by that way (Worley, Kendrick, etc.).

                  Adam Morgan (LHV) - 38.1 IP, 4.70 ERA, 28 K, 12 BB, 1.278 WHIP (ARROW DOWN)
                  A few hiccups in the road as Morgan's allowed more baserunners the past few games. Needs to turn things around a bit, and getting the K-rate up would help.

                  Ethan Martin (LHV) - 13.1 IP, 5.77 ERA, 34 K, 23 BB, 1.515 WHIP (ARROW UP)
                  Walk rate still too high. But he did drop his ERA by 2+ runs - giving him a hesitant up arrow. Still needs better control.

                  Cody Asche (LHV) - 141 PA, .272 AVG, .333 OBP, .416 SLG, 11 XBH (ARROW DOWN)
                  AVG up very slightly as well as power, but at the expense of getting on base. Jury's still out for me and he could be getting passed over if he doesn't do a bit more.

                  Maikel Franco (CLW) - 156 PA, .287 AVG, .333 OBP, .517 SLG, 21 XBH (ARROW UP)
                  Still maintaining power - if anything, he has a better ISO.

                  Darin Ruf (LHV) - 145 PA, .294 AVG, .372 OBP, .500 SLG, 16 XBH (ARROW UP)
                  Great past few weeks. Power's up as well as everything else. With the Phils having one of the worst-hitting OFs this year, call-up could be sooner now.

                  Carlos Tocci (LWD) - 124 PA, .216 AVG, .260 OBP, .241 SLG, 3 XBH (ARROW UP)
                  Not much different than last update, but at least things are going the right direction.
                  "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                  • #24
                    Update thru 6/5...

                    Jesse Biddle (REA) - 61.1 IP, 3.23 ERA, 72 K, 30 BB, 1.109 WHIP (ARROW UP)
                    Still looking solid. ERA & WHIP up slightly, but nothing to worry about.

                    Roman Quinn (LWD) - 238 PA, .256 AVG, .342 OBP, .386 SLG, 14 XBH (ARROW UP)
                    Offense is improving, and he's closing in on 30 SBs. Now, if something could be done about his glove (23 errors in 201 chances).

                    Tommy Joseph (LHV) - 72 PA, .209 AVG, .264 OBP, .358 SLG, 4 XBH (ARROW DOWN)
                    Still out with concussion issues. He's missing valuable time as he needs alot of polish still if he's to be an everyday catcher.

                    Jonathan Pettibone (PHI) - 53.0 IP, 3.40 ERA, 33 K, 18 BB, 1.434 WHIP (ARROW UP)
                    Jonathan Pettibone (LHV) - 9.1 IP, 9.64 ERA, 8 K, 5 BB, 2.143 WHIP
                    Still holding his own. Almost a Kyle Kendrick clone based on early results.

                    Adam Morgan (LHV) - 41.2 IP, 4.97 ERA, 29 K, 12 BB, 1.416 WHIP (ARROW DOWN)
                    Small sample since he's been injured the past few weeks.

                    Ethan Martin (LHV) - 54.2 IP, 5.60 ERA, 50 K, 32 BB, 1.555 WHIP (ARROW DOWN)
                    Not much to see here. Walking way too many still.

                    Cody Asche (LHV) - 243 PA, .265 AVG, .321 OBP, .434 SLG, 22 XBH (ARROW DOWN)
                    Power up slightly from last month at the cost of some on-base ability.

                    Maikel Franco (CLW) - 247 PA, .294 AVG, .340 OBP, .548 SLG, 35 XBH (ARROW UP)
                    Numbers up across the board. Could be in Reading by mid-summer.

                    Darin Ruf (LHV) - 227 PA, .254 AVG, .326 OBP, .408 SLG, 21 XBH (ARROW DOWN)
                    After that spurt he had in May, he's fallen back down quite sharply.

                    Carlos Tocci (LWD) - 213 PA, .231 AVG, .288 OBP, .282 SLG, 10 XBH (ARROW UP)
                    OBP slowly rising to .300 - no power, but still not a concern due to age.
                    "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                    • #25
                      Jesse Biddle and Maikel Franco will represent the Phils in this year's Futures Game that is played at Citi Field on Sunday, July 14th.

                      Biddle will pitch for the US squad while Franco will play for the World team.

                      Interesting note from Danny Knobler (CBS Sports):

                      Danny Knobler @DannyKnoblerCBS

                      One scout on 20-year-old Phillies prospect Maikel Franco, just promoted from A to AA: "Best impact bat I've seen in minors this year."
                      "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
                        Matt Gelb & Bob Brookover from philly.com put together their top-25 list.

                        1. Jesse Biddle
                        2. Tommy Joseph
                        3. Maikel Franco
                        4. Roman Quinn
                        5. Jon Pettibone
                        6. Phillipe Aumont
                        7. Cody Asche
                        8. Ethan Martin
                        9. Adam Morgan
                        10. Darin Ruf
                        11. Sebastian Valle
                        12. Justin De Fratus
                        13. Shane Watson
                        14. Cesar Hernandez
                        15. Larry Greene, Jr.
                        16. Carlos Tocci
                        17. Dylan Cozens
                        18. Brody Colvin
                        19. Kyle Simon
                        20. Tyson Gillies
                        21. Zach Collier
                        22. Ken Giles
                        23. Tyler Cloyd
                        24. Cameron Rupp
                        25. Kelly Dugan
                        Here's an update as of today along with player notes...

                        1: Maikel Franco 3B

                        The 20-year-old Dominican Republic native soared to the top by posting huge power numbers at high-A Clearwater before earning a promotion to double-A Reading and playing even better for the Fightin Phils.

                        Scout's view: "He's a young, energetic, and aggressive hitter with a big upside. I see him being a solid everyday third baseman. He reminds me of a young Edwin Encarnacion."


                        2: Jesse Biddle LHP

                        Biddle drops one spot to No. 2, but that is a reflection of how well Franco has performed and not how the 21-year-old lefthander has pitched. There have been some growing pains for the Philadelphia native and Germantown Friends graduate. He led the Eastern League in strikeouts and walks at the all-star break. After going 2-1 with a 1.74 ERA in April, he went 1-7 with a 3.68 ERA in his next 12 starts. He also has battled whooping cough for most of the season.

                        Scout's view: "A tough competitor who has a ways to go with control and command. I would say he's a back-end-of-the-rotation starting pitcher.


                        3: Roman Quinn SS

                        The 20-year-old switch-hitting shortstop has endured some extreme growing pains in his first full professional season and is on the disabled list with a broken left wrist after being hit by a pitch last month. In early May his average dipped to .196, but he rebounded to hit .270 with a .366 on-base percentage in his next 39 games. He also had 31 errors in 66 games, but Derek Jeter once made 56 errors in the South Atlantic League and recovered quite nicely.

                        Scout's view: "He needs to work on his small ball because his game obviously revolves around speed, which is off the charts. He's a little erratic on defense. He gloves everything, but has some problems throwing. I'm not sure he'll be a shortstop, but I love his energy."


                        4: Cesar Hernandez 2B

                        The 23-year-old second baseman got his first taste of the big leagues and hit .250 during a nine-game stretch in late May and early June. Most impressive, however, is the way he responded after being sent back to the IronPigs. Hernandez still has some work to do defensively, but he has the ability to be a top-of-the-order hitter who can steal a lot of bases and score a lot of runs. The Phils also are looking at him as a centerfielder.

                        Scout's view: "He's Freddy Galvis with more offensive upside. I see him as a solid but unspectacular major-league regular."


                        5: Cody Asche 3B

                        The 23-year-old third baseman has made a fast rise through the farm system since being selected in the fourth round of the 2011 draft, and he has excelled in his first season at the highest minor-league level. Asche also has proved to be solid defensively at third base, and it's possible he could be in the big leagues by the end of the month if the Phillies decide to trade Michael Young.

                        Scout's view: "I like this kid. He's a tough grinder who gets after it every day. He reminds me of Darin Erstad and Pete Orr, physically. I see him being an everyday third baseman."


                        6: Tommy Joseph C

                        A concussion that the catcher suffered in early May turned the first half of this season into a nightmare. Joseph, who turned 22 on Tuesday, got off to a slow start at Lehigh Valley, then missed more than a month because of the concussion. He went 1 for 18 in a brief return at Clearwater before sitting out 11 more days. After suffering the concussion, he went 6 for 52 in 14 games playing for Clearwater, Reading, and the Phillies' Gulf Coast League team.

                        Scout's view: "He's really had a rough time. You almost have to view it as a lost season. Just get him healthy and push the reset button in 2014."


                        7: Ethan Martin RHP

                        Acquired from the Los Angeles Dodgers in the Shane Victorino deal last summer, the 24-year-old righthander has been inconsistent during his first full season in the Phillies organization. He was 1-2 with a 7.54 ERA after his first five starts, but went 9-2 with a 3.93 ERA in his next 13 starts. Command has been an issue. He has walked four or more batters eight times in 18 starts.

                        Scout's view: "I see this guy as a very serviceable bullpen piece. I don't see him as a starter. His control and command are very spotty. I see him as a bullpen guy."


                        8: Adam Morgan LHP

                        When spring training ended, Morgan was considered among the most likely to get a call to the big leagues this season. Instead, he has been on the disabled list and rehabilitating in Clearwater, Fla., since the middle of May because of a small tear in his shoulder. Morgan, 23, gave a brief glimpse of his ability by posting a 1.42 ERA in his first three starts with the IronPigs.

                        Scout's view: "I like him a lot. I see him as a more polished version of Biddle. I think he has better stuff, but I still see him as a number-four starter in the big leagues."


                        9: J.P. Crawford SS

                        The Phillies' 2013 first-round draft choice started his career with a nine-game hitting streak for the GCL Phillies. Unlike Roman Quinn, who was an outfielder, the 18-year-old Crawford was a high school shortstop and projects to remain at that position, which should make things interesting as the two climb through the system.


                        10: Kelly Dugan OF

                        The Phillies' first overall pick in 2009 had a slow start to his professional career because of an assortment of injuries. He dealt with another injury at the start of this season, but once he got on the field at Clearwater he excelled, hitting 10 home runs and posting a .940 OPS in 56 games before being promoted to Reading.

                        Scout's view: "He was hurt when I was in Clearwater this year, but I liked him a lot last year at Lakewood. It's impressive that he made it to double A this season."


                        11: Carlos Tocci OF

                        The centerfielder's numbers do not look good until you realize he is 17 years old in a league filled with 20-somethings. He's like a seventh grader playing varsity baseball. He is already an outstanding defensive centerfielder.

                        Scout's view: "If anybody is a projection guy, it's him. He makes contact as a 17-year-old playing in a league with 22- and 23-year-olds. That, to me, is impressive. You just never know when it's going to click in for these kinds of guys."


                        12: Shane Watson RHP

                        One of the great story lines of this year's draft was that Watson, the Phillies' 2012 first-round pick, was high school teammates with J.P. Crawford, this year's first-round pick. In his first four starts after his childhood buddy was selected, the 19-year-old Watson posted a 0.86 ERA, allowing two earned runs on 12 hits in 21 innings.

                        Scout's view: "He's got a ceiling as a top-of-the-rotation starter. His fastball was 89 to 93 [m.p.h.] in April, and he has the ability for more. His curveball is potentially an out pitch. I think he's maturing, and in the second half he could make some noise. Everything is advanced for his age."


                        13: Cameron Perkins OF

                        The Phillies' sixth-round pick in the 2012 draft was part of a tremendous outfield trio at Clearwater before landing on the disabled list after being hit by a pitch in the forearm. Despite missing all of June, the Purdue University product soared into the prospect rankings by batting .337 with 18 doubles, four triples, and three home runs before his injury. He has returned to the lineup in Clearwater.

                        Scout's view: "I like him a lot. He's a line-drive hitter with gap power and he played a very good outfield. He could be a guy flying underneath the radar."


                        14: Aaron Altherr OF

                        Always considered a player with good tools and an athletic body, the 6-foot-5 outfielder has never looked better on the field than he has this season. He was named a Florida State League all-star and entered mid-July as the league leader in doubles with 27. Unlike Dugan and Franco, the 22-year-old Altherr is likely to spend the entire season at Clearwater.

                        Scout’s view: “At worst I think he’s an extra outfielder. I still think his swing is a little long.”


                        15: Darin Ruf 1B/OF

                        The 26-year-old Ruf got his second call to the big leagues when Ryan Howard landed on the disabled list earlier this month. In his first season at Lehigh Valley, he was extremely streaky and unable to duplicate the extraordinary power numbers he put up last August at Reading. Perhaps the most impressive thing about his season was how he turned himself into a decent left fielder after struggling at the position during spring training.

                        Scout’s view: “I think this is going to be his big opportunity over the next eight weeks. If he’s going to stay in the big leagues, he’s going to do it right here and right now. Based on my previous observations, I think his best chance is against left-handed pitching. I think he has a chance to be a serviceable platoon player or extra guy.”


                        16: Cameron Rupp C

                        17: Zach Green 3B

                        18: Mitch Gueller RHP

                        19: Ken Giles RHP

                        20: Cord Sandberg CF

                        21: Sebastian Valle C

                        22: Larry Greene Jr. OF

                        23: Mitch Walding 3B

                        24: Severino Gonzalez RHP

                        25: Yoel Mecias LHP
                        "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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