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    C: Jason Kendall, Manny Sanguillen
    1B: Jake Beckley, Elbie Fletcher
    2B: Bill Mazeroski, Claude Ritchey
    3B: Tommy Leach, Pie Traynor
    SS: Honus Wagner, Arky Vaughan
    LF: Willie Stargell, Barry Bonds
    CF: Max Carey
    RF: Roberto Clemente, Paul Waner
    SP: Babe Adams, Wilbur Cooper, Bob Friend, Sam Leever, John Candelaria
    RP: Roy Face, Kent Tekulve, Al McBean, Tony Watson, Dave Giustri
    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    Nice list. I tend to agree with most of your choices, although I'd have to dig deep to find Beckley, Fletcher, Ritchey, and Leever, who I assume are old-old timers.

    The only starting pitcher I wasn't too hot on was Bob Friend, whom I remember as an above-average workhorse who had a few outstanding seasons during his long tenure with the Buccos. Thought Doug Drabek might be a better choice until I reviewed Friend's stats. His winning percentage wasn't HOF stuff -- the Pirate offense was mediocre for much of his career -- but everything else (ERA, GS, CG, Shutouts, etc.) certainly ranks him among the best Pirate pitchers of all time. Thanks for the reminder.

    As for relievers, I might take issue with Alvin McBean. I remember him being an effective but not dominant reliever during the 60's, and one year -- was it 1966? -- he was used as a starter for a while. I think he got off to a good start that year but faded as the season progressed (or maybe he was injured). The Pirates have had lots of relievers who had better seasons than McBean, but none lasted as long or were as consistently effective.

    And one more thing: I would be tempted to include Dave Parker in RF if he hadn't let his big contract go to his head, snort coke, and weigh himself down with so much jewelry. He was the most dominant Pirate hitter I ever saw until all that happened. He literally carried the team on his shoulders for a few years. He also had a rocket arm and was a great baserunner for his size. Oh, what could have been!!!

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    • #3
      Just looked up McBean's stats. Forgot he was a starter at first. In 1962 he started 29 times and was quite effective. After that he was primarily used as a reliever. But in 1968 (the year I remember), he started 28 games. His ERA from 1963 to 1967 (when he was primarily a reliever) was consistently low. Wish the Pirates had someone like him today.

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      • #4
        Glad to see Kendall behind the plate. I'd add for consideration: Drabek, Little Poison Waner, Giles, Madlock, Parker, Harrison, McCutchen, Jose Mesa... a couple of these guys belong above. Jesus Christ where's Ralph Kiner!?
        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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        • #5
          You could also add pitchers Deacon Phillippe and Jesse Tannehill. There's third basemen Bobby Bonilla and Bill Elliott (Elliott has a good hall of fame case and gets treated unfairly for playing during WWII like Bob Johnson). There's also outfielder Brian Giles and center fielders Al Oliver and Andy Van Slyke. Hall of Fame left fielder Fred Clarke.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
            Glad to see Kendall behind the plate. I'd add for consideration: Drabek, Little Poison Waner, Giles, Madlock, Parker, Harrison, McCutchen, Jose Mesa... a couple of these guys belong above. Jesus Christ where's Ralph Kiner!?
            Sorry bluesky5 just realized you put Giles already!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sockeye View Post
              C: Jason Kendall, Manny Sanguillen
              1B: Jake Beckley, Elbie Fletcher
              2B: Bill Mazeroski, Claude Ritchey
              3B: Tommy Leach, Pie Traynor
              SS: Honus Wagner, Arky Vaughan
              LF: Willie Stargell, Barry Bonds
              CF: Max Carey
              RF: Roberto Clemente, Paul Waner
              SP: Babe Adams, Wilbur Cooper, Bob Friend, Sam Leever, John Candelaria
              RP: Roy Face, Kent Tekulve, Al McBean, Tony Watson, Dave Giustri
              All good selections, but I would have dropped Candelaria in favor of Pirates-lifer Vern Law.

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