Top 5 Pirates of all-time

[frehleyscomet]

Ok longtime Pirate fans. Who do you think are the top(best) 5 Pirates of all time not including pitchers. The top 5 imo are:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Honus Wagner
3. Roberto Clemente
4. Dave Parker
5. Willie Stargell

[maxcarey]

No way Bonds over Wagner AND Clemente.

I would also throw in Paul Waner before Dave Parker

[frehleyscomet]

No way Bonds over Wagner AND Clemente.

I would also throw in Paul Waner before Dave Parker

The cobra was awesome but so was Waner. The reason i put Bonds ahead of everyone because some experts believe he is the best player of all-time Period.

You have a top 5 list?

[BeatEmBucs]

1. Honus Wagner
2. Roberto Clemente
3. Willie Stargell
4. Paul Waner
5. Max Carey

[KCGHOST]

1. Honus Wagner
2 Paul Waner
3 Willie Stargell
4 Arky Vaughan
5 Roberto Clemente


Bonds wasn't in Pittsburgh long enough to make my list.

[MadHatter]

1 Honus Wagner
2 Roberto Clemente
3 Willie Stargell
4 Paul Waner
5 I loved Dave Parker when I was a kid

[sisyphus]

Ok longtime Pirate fans. Who do you think are the top(best) 5 Pirates of all time not including pitchers. The top 5 imo are:

1. Barry Bonds
2. Honus Wagner
3. Roberto Clemente
4. Dave Parker
5. Willie Stargell

1. Honus Wagner
2. Barry Bonds
3. Paul Waner
4. Roberto Clemente
5. Willie Stargell

Honorable mentions to Fred Clarke, Ralph Kiner and Arky Vaughn.

[cbenson5]

Here's mine

1. Honus Wagner
2. Paul Waner
3. Roberto Clemente
4. Arky Vaughan
5. Willie Stargell

I have to give Bonds to the Giants.

[Erad67]

I looked at the Pirates top 10 All-Time Leaders for both cummulative stats and single season stats. I looked at Avg, OBP, SLG %, OPS, G, AB, R, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, BB, & SB.

Looking at Cummulative stats, and giving 10 pnts for 1st place, 9 for 2nd, etc., here are the top 5:
1. Honus Wagner
2. Paul Waner
3. Willie Stargell
4. Roberto Clemente
5. Max Carey

If you just count the # of times each player was in the cummulative stat top 10, here are the top 5:
1. Paul Waner
2. Honus Wagner
3. Roberto Clemente
3. Willie Stargell
5. Arky Vaughan

Looking at single-season stats, counting 1st place as 10 pnts ....
1. Ralph Kiner
2. Paul Waner
3. Omar Moreno
4. Brian Giles
4. Arky Vaughan

Counting single-season top 10 appearances:
1. Ralph Kiner
2. Paul Waner
3. Brian Giles
4. Omar Moreno
4. Willie Stargell
4. Honus Wagner

If you looked at the top 10 for each of the 4 lists above (I know I only wrote 5 for each) and did the same 10 pnts for 1st, 9 for 2nd, etc. the top 5 are:
1. Paul Waner
2. Honus Wagner
3. Willie Stargell
4. Ralph Kiner
5. Arky Vaghan

** All that said, I really think consideration should be given for Max Carey as being the #1 all time Pirate. Not only is he one of the all time great Pirate players, but he is hands down the #1 manager in Pirates history. As a manager, he is #1 for seasons managed with 16, #1 for wins (around 400 more than #2), has the #1 winning %, #1 for pennants won with 4, and tied for #2 in World Series wins.

[Silver Blaze]

I looked at the Pirates top 10 All-Time Leaders for both cummulative stats and single season stats. I looked at Avg, OBP, SLG %, OPS, G, AB, R, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, BB, & SB.

Looking at Cummulative stats, and giving 10 pnts for 1st place, 9 for 2nd, etc., here are the top 5:
1. Honus Wagner
2. Paul Waner
3. Willie Stargell
4. Roberto Clemente
5. Max Carey

You can't just look at offense, you have to look at the whole package; defense, speed and intangibles too. No way would Clemente stay as low as 4th on the list if you did factor in other variables.

[frehleyscomet]

You can't just look at offense, you have to look at the whole package; defense, speed and intangibles too. No way would Clemente stay as low as 4th on the list if you did factor in other variables.

I have to agree. The list is flawed in MANY ways.

[Pirateeyes45]

Barry Bonds is so tainted... he shouldn't be first for anything.

[PHSMONTY]

Let's not forget,

The GREATEST 2nd baseman and hero of the 1960 World Series, BILL MAZEROSKI.

[Pghfan987]

Thou Shalt Not Rank Clemente Below #2

1) Honus Wagner
2) Roberto Clemente
3) Willie Stargell
4) Paul Waner
5) Fred Clarke

[soberdennis]

You can't just look at offense, you have to look at the whole package; defense, speed and intangibles too. No way would Clemente stay as low as 4th on the list if you did factor in other variables.

That is why I would rank him number 1.

1. Roberto Clemente
2. Honus Wagner
3. Ralph Kiner
4. Willie Stargell
5. Barry Bonds

Kiner played on some bad Pirate teams. But he was a star.
Bonds will always be remembered as a Giant. But he had some great years in Pittsburgh.
Stargell was just a great leader.
Clemente and Wagner need no explanation. But Roberto was the most complete player I ever saw. So I put him number 1.