Top 5 Worst Pirates During The "Streak"

[brocktune01]

1. William Penny Feather

2. Midre Cummings

3. Mark Johnson

4. Humberto Cota

5. Kevin Polkovich

[Silver Blaze]

Derek Bell belongs on that list.

How about Raul Mondesi for the way he weaseled out of his contract?

I've heard that Paulino can give Cota a run for his money behind the plate. Couldn't catch cold, and doesn't care anyway.

[brocktune01]

Derek Bell operation shut-down very nice. I forgot about Mondesi totally wait maybe he was operation shutdown. They both were. Paulino is a fat sloth.

[Steve Jeltz]

I'll rate the top 5 worst pitchers and position players, in no particular order.

Top 5 worst position players:
1. Tike Redman
2. Rich Aude
3. Bobby Hill
4. Chad Hermansen
5. Emil Brown

Top 5 worst pitchers:
1. Matt Ruebel
2. Joe Biemel
3. Bronson Arroyo
4. Ryan Vogelsong
5. Jimmy Anderson

brocktune, I'm just taking a guess, but Paulino is not your favorite player, is he?

[brocktune01]

Adrian Brown, Carlos Garcia, Ricardo Rincon, Manzanillo, and Ronnie "fat ass"Paulino.

[BeatEmBucs]

1. William Penny Feather

2. Midre Cummings

3. Mark Johnson

4. Humberto Cota

5. Kevin Polkovich

I would disagree with all 5 of these for one reason or another.

1. He only played a handful of games in '93. I think he was the guy they called up after Van Slyke crashed into the wall in St.Louis. I can think of many other call ups who did worse (Andy Bausher, Marty McLeary, Carlos Maldonado, JJ Davis and many more)

2. He was no worse than any of the other outfielders. He was just more hyped, and didn't live up to the hype.

3. He was good as a pinch hitter, and the fact he challenged Kevin Young, and how Young stepped up reviving his career after sucking from 93=95. Johnson is owed a debt of gratitude.

4. He was a backup catcher. He was the best defensive catcher the Pirates had on their roster in 2005 and 2006 (Doumit's defense has gotten a little better, Paulino's still sucks) which is why he was on the roster.

5. July 1997, Veterans Stadium, against Curt Schilling. His homer will endear me. He was all heart out there, a lot like Jack Wilson, only less talented. I don't think it's a coincidence the closest the Bucs came to 500 during this run was the season he was on the roster.

Having said all of that, here's my bottom 5. I'm going with guys who were supposed to be "regulars" so no late season call ups.

1. Raul Mondesi
2. Chris Stynes
3. Derek Bell
4. Benito Santiago
5. Enrique Wilson

dishonorable mention to Jody "china doll" Gerut who was acquired from Cleveland for Matt Lawton in 2005, only played 1 or 2 games. Hurt his leg, and did nothing but collect paychecks from the Pirates in 2005 and 2006.

As for pitchers, there so many of them. I would agree with Jimmy Anderson,Arroyo (who suddenly became decent after leaving the Bucs) and Vogelsong. I wouldn't put Ruebel there though. Clint Sodowsky was much worse. I'd also put Jose Silva there, but I wonder how he would've done had he not had that liner go off his face in spring training '99.

[brocktune01]

I should have been more clearer. Lets face it they all sucked, I just wanted other peoples opinions. Hear some names I havent heard in awhile. I dont think out of the five I mentioned any of them were any good.

[BeatEmBucs]

I know. I figured I throw a few more names out there.

[brocktune01]

I wonder what a lineup would look like with all the best players, or the players that represented the pirates in all-star games during the streak.
Steve Buchele

[brocktune01]

Here it is pirate all stars since the streak:
1. Tony Womack 2B- All-star-97
2. Jason Kendall C- All-star-98&2000
3. Andy Vanslyke OF All-star-93
4. Brian Giles OF- All-star- 2000
5. Jason Bay OF- All star 2005&20006
6. Freddy Sanchez 3B All-star 2006&2007
7. Ed Sprague INF/1B All-star 99
8. Jay Bell SS All-star 93
9. Denny Neagle-P All-star 95

'Closer
Mike Williams All-star 2002&2003

[brocktune01]

Jimmy Anderson he got better so did loaiza, wakefield, didnt Steve Cook even have success after leaving?

[Steve Jeltz]

Jimmy Anderson he got better so did loaiza, wakefield, didnt Steve Cook even have success after leaving?

Anderson won only 1 more game after he left the Pirates and hasn't pitched in the majors since 2004. I don't know what he is doing now.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/anderji02.shtml

Cooke signed with the Reds after the Pirates released him. Cooke pitched in a grand total of 1 game for the Reds in 1998 and was never heard from again.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cookest01.shtml

[Steve Jeltz]

Adrian Brown, Carlos Garcia, Ricardo Rincon, Manzanillo, and Ronnie "fat ass"Paulino.

Carlos Garcia- Garcia was actually a pretty good player with the Bucs. I know he was an All Star one year and then was traded to Toronto in a salary dump in 1996.

Ricardo Rincon- Definitely NOT one of the worst Pirates during the streak. Very effective reliever and sometimes closer with several teams. He and Francisco Cordova teamed for the 10 inning no hitter against Houston in 1997 in one of the most memorable games during this streak . Plus, Cleveland thought enough of Rincon to trade Brian Giles for him in Cam Bonifay's best trade.

[brocktune01]

I listened to that whole game at work as a kid. Rincon was not effective his one moment in time. As well as Cordova. Garcia was not consistent either. Honestly would any GM be interested in them even as a bench player. I dont think a bad trade equals a good player.

[Bucfan]

Adam Laroche ... his dreadful April schtick is old, tired, and qualifies him for this list.