SF Giants Hall of Fame

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Hey, lets start a SF Giants HoF!!! My nominees

Willie Mays
Wilie McCovey
Juan Marishal
Gaylord Perry
Barry Bonds
Will Clark
Rob Nenn
Jeff Kent
Matt Williams
Jack Clark
Robby Thompson
Bobby Bonds

[RobertHConner]

If we're limiting to San Francisco-era (and I assume we are), I'd put in votes for:

Felipe Alou-OF/MGR (for combined Player/MGR service)
Barry Bonds-LF (obvious)
Bobby Bonds-RF/CF/Coach (obvious)
Orlando Cepeda-1B/3B/LF (obvious)
Will Clark-1B (obvious)
Carl Hubbell-Farm Director (50's, 60's & 70's)
Jeff Kent-2B/1B (obvious)
Peter Magowan-for being the leader of the group that kept the Jints from taking off for St. Pete
Juan Marichal-SP (obvious)
Will McCovey-1B/LF (obvious)
Robb Nen-CP (all-time saves leader, sacrificed career for SF)
Gaylord Perry-SP
Brian Sabean-GM (Giants averaged 90.3 W per season during his 9 year reign as GM, 8 of 9 winning seasons...the Giants had just 8 winning seasons from 1979 to 1996)
Matt Williams-3B/SS (obvious)

I can't support Baker for single-handedly giving away the 2002 World Series
I'm on the bubble on Robby Thompson & Rod Beck

Jason Schmidt can move into striking distance w/ another strong season or two.

[KCGHOST]

Matt Williams-3B/SS (obvious)

Obvious??? I would think Jim Ray Hart would be the choice at 3B.

[west coast orange and black]

i tossed in rod beck and dick dietz. so far, these are the nominees.
good idea, wags. but, how are we gonna vote? yer call.

Felipe Alou
Rod Beck
Barry Bonds
Bobby Bonds
Orlando Cepeda
Jack Clark
Will Clark
Dick Dietz
Jim Ray Hart
Carl Hubbell
Jeff Kent
Willie Mays
Wilie McCovey
Juan Marichal
Robb Nen
Gaylord Perry
Brian Sabean
Robby Thompson
Matt Williams

[johnny]

hey
where in the heck is johnny lemaster?

[KHenry14]

hey
where in the heck is johnny lemaster?

He's on the bench with David Green, Terry Whitfield and Ron Herbel.

KH14

[mojorisin71]

What do you guys think of Roger Craig? Is he ranked more favorably than Dusty Baker?

[johnny]

he gave me a toothache!

He's on the bench with David Green, Terry Whitfield and Ron Herbel.

KH14

Well save a little room for Candy Maldanado

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Well save a little room for Candy Maldanado

At least Candy was good in 1987!

And what ever happened to Max Venable?

[west coast orange and black]

i'm thinkin' that candido and max and johnnie and ruben rivera and marvin benard aren't gonna make the cut, so tell us about how we go about with the san francisco giants hall of fame, wags.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

i'm thinkin' that candido and max and johnnie and ruben rivera and marvin benard aren't gonna make the cut, so tell us about how we go about with the san francisco giants hall of fame, wags.

Ok, how this. The Giants are approaching 50 years in San Francisco. Let's vote for the top three at each position. Vote #1 and #2 and #3.

#1- 3 points
#2- 2 points
#3- 1 point

For a player to qualfy they must have played for the Giants at least five years.

[west coast orange and black]

wags: maybe a #1 selection can be separated by more than just 1 point:

1: 4 or 5 points
2: 2
3: 1

that way, getting a top-spot vote has greater value.
whaddaya think?

[RobertHConner]

Obvious??? I would think Jim Ray Hart would be the choice at 3B.

Matt Williams averaged 36 hr/106 rbi/86 r/.956 fldg. pct. per 162 games played w/ SF
4 All-Star appearances
3 Gold Gloves
3 Silver Slugger Awards
1990 Associated Press All-Star Team, 3B
1990 The Sporting News NL All-Star Team, 3B
1993 Associated Press All-Star Team, 3B
1993 The Sporting News NL All-Star Team, 3B
1994 Associated Press All-Star Team, 3B
1994 The Sporting News NL All-Star Team, 3B
1999 “Tell It (Candlestick Park) Goodbye All-Time Team”, 3B
1999 The Sporting News Team of the Decade, 1990’s, 3B
2000 selected Giants’ all-time 3B, The Sporting news staff
2001 The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract All-Time Rankings, 3B—#23
The Baseball Page’s Top Ranked Third Basemen of All-Time, #27

place in Giants history
most Opening Day starts, 3B, San Francisco era, 8
most HR by primary position, 3B, career, 247
most RBI by primary position, 3B, career, 732
most XBH by primary position, 3B, career, 451
most 100-RBI seasons, 3B, career, 2 (t-HOFer Fred Lindstrom & Bobby Thomson)
5th most HR, career, 247
6th best AB/HR ratio, career, 16.8
8th most IBB, career, 59
9th most SF, career, 39 (t-Darrell Evans)
least difference between team’s W total & individual’s HR total, 12 in 1994 (55 wins/43 HR)

MLB records
HRs in 2 consecutive games, 5 (t-Barry Bonds & many others)
1 of only 7 players w/ World Series HR in each league
1st player w/ World Series HR for 3 different teams, 1989 Giants/1997 Indians/2001 D’backs
RBI, 5-game NLCS, 9 in 1989 vs. Cubs
he holds quite a few mor postseason records, but these actually involve his Giants days

I wasn't picking by position initially, so it was not an either or situation.

[RobertHConner]

I'm very interested in the opinions on this subject. Can we decide on the rules of engagement and start the real thing on a separate, cleaner thread? I'll follow the rules that you guys seem to be headed towards. It's a cool idea.

[RobertHConner]

What do you guys think of Roger Craig? Is he ranked more favorably than Dusty Baker?

Dusty blew the '02 Series when his nerves led him to remove Ortiz in Game 6. I'm still not over that enough to give him my vote. He also shouldn't have let Lofton refuse to DH. He also shouldn't have started Salomom Torres on the final day of 1993. I also think he blew out Beck's arm & made a devastating pitching decision after Snow big blast in Game 2 of the 2000 NLDS (we were up 1game to zip at the time). That's not hindsight talking. I was screaming at the tv in every one of those situations as they were unfolding.