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    Snow Has Different Read
    -Chris Snow, Globe Staff, March 9, 2006

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    FORT MYERS, Fla. -- To the best of J.T. Snow's knowledge, no major league player has spent more seasons as a teammate of Barry Bonds than he did. For nine seasons, 1997-2005, Snow and Bonds dressed in the same clubhouse and played on the same diamond.

    ''Did I ever see him use steroids?" Snow said yesterday, standing inside the Red Sox' clubhouse at City of Palms Park, a day after new and more detailed allegations against Bonds came to light. ''No. Did his body change over the nine years I was there? Yes."
    Significantly?

    ''You could say significantly," Snow said. ''I don't know what he did in his own time and what his workout regimen was. I know he's a hard worker. But I really don't know [if he used steroids]. He's never come out and said it. Only he knows what he's done."

    Snow and Sox outfielder Dustan Mohr, who also played with Bonds in San Francisco, both wondered yesterday why San Francisco Chronicle writers Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams have chosen to detail Bonds's alleged steroid use in a book (''Game of Shadows") rather than publish their findings in the newspaper.

    ''It's basically a witch hunt," Snow said. ''They're trying to nail him. These guys are obviously trying to bring him down or make a buck off their book. But I can't sit here and say what he did and what he didn't do."

    Snow expects Bonds to handle this situation much like he did the initial round of allegations in 2004. In March 2004, the Chronicle linked Bonds to the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, better known as BALCO, which, according to the paper, furnished Bonds with steroids. Bonds nonetheless went out and hit .362 with 45 home runs as the National League's Most Valuable Player.

    ''He'll probably just brush it off and keep playing," Snow said. ''He'll just let it roll off his back."

    Asked if he intends to read the book, which is scheduled for publication March 27, Snow said, ''No. I don't need to. Any time you play with someone that long -- I've been in clubhouses with him, I've been on airplanes with him, I've been in hotels. I don't need to read. But I don't know what he's done on his time, away from the park."

    Bonds, of course, is nearing the precipice of baseball's most hallowed record. With 708 career home runs, he needs six to tie Babe Ruth for second all time and 47 to reach Hank Aaron's all-time mark of 755.

    Does Snow think Bonds can do it? ''I do," he said. ''There's no doubt I think he can do it."
    Will he? ''If he holds up," Snow said. ''His knee's bothering him. I think his knee's pretty bad. It's bone on bone.

    ''It's up to him if he wants to. He knows himself better than anybody. He's going to play when he wants to play and not play when he doesn't want to play. He's going to try to get himself through the season."

    In Bonds's pursuit of baseball's ultimate record, Snow said, ''I think there'll be mixed reactions. Whether you like it or not there is a cloud over his head because there is suspicion. But I don't think anything's been proven. And I think it's kind of sad to see it like that, celebrating a historic accomplishment like that. He hasn't turned up positive."

    Mixed publicity, Snow said, has long followed Bonds. ''We went through it when he hit 73 home runs that year," Snow said. ''I've always said he's the first guy to get booed and the first guy to get cheered. People come out, they want to see the big stars, they want to see a guy hit a home run. People want to tear him down and at the same time they want him to go up there and hit home runs. I saw it for nine years.

    ''When he gets closer to Ruth and if he gets close to Aaron he'll be scrutinized pretty heavily."
    Snow, to this day, considers it a privilege to have watched Bonds daily in 2001, when he homered once every 6.5 at-bats.

    ''It was amazing," Snow said. ''If he didn't play in Pac Bell Park I thought he would have hit about 85 home runs, no problem. It's deep. It's 421 [feet] in deep right-center."

    What Bonds won't do, Snow said, is walk away. Not now, anyhow.
    ''I don't think so," Snow said. ''I think he'll decide after the year."
    Provided, of course, that these allegations don't fell him.

    ''He's innocent until proven guilty, I guess," Snow said.

    © Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.
    "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

  • #2
    "But I can't sit here and say what he did and what he didn't do."
    "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
    Carl Yastrzemski

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    • #3
      '''Did I ever see him use steroids? No.'

      "'Did his body change over the nine years I was there? Yes.'

      "'Only he knows what he's done.'"
      "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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      • #4
        Originally posted by west coast orange and black
        '''Did I ever see him use steroids? No.'

        "'Did his body change over the nine years I was there? Yes.'

        "'Only he knows what he's done.'"

        Reminds of that joke...

        "Ever get caught masterbating in the closet?"

        No.....

        "Good hiding spot, huh?"
        "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
        Carl Yastrzemski

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        • #5
          good one.

          but while snow's remarks remind you of an albeit funny joke, snow has every right to believe what he believe about bonds/steroids and still an all-around credible person.
          "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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          • #6
            Originally posted by west coast orange and black
            good one.

            but while snow's remarks remind you of an albeit funny joke, snow has every right to believe what he believe about bonds/steroids and still an all-around credible person.
            No doubt, but there's no way Snow is going to know about Bonds' activities if Bonds is hiding them.

            So, this to me is just a guy telling the world he didn't see anything.
            "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
            Carl Yastrzemski

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            • #7
              i differentiate snow - longtime teammate of bonds and then-unofficial team spokesman - from the first perchanced upon man on the street.
              "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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              • #8
                "So, this to me is just a guy telling the world he didn't see anything."

                ok, but riddle me this: wouldn't it have lead to more credibility if in 2+ years, the two sf chronicle reporters could have gotten their most depended-upon sources to agree to be named, and the san francisco grand jury testimony to be re-printed in its entirety, rather than excerpted?
                Last edited by west coast orange and black; 03-13-2006, 09:34 AM.
                "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by west coast orange and black
                  i differentiate snow - longtime teammate of bonds and then-unofficial team spokesman - from the first perchanced upon man on the street.
                  Yes, but again, if Bonds doesn't want him to know what's going on, he's not going to know about it.

                  There are things about me my own parents don't know and I'm sure you can say the same thing.
                  "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                  Carl Yastrzemski

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by west coast orange and black
                    ok, but riddle me this: wouldn't it have lead to more credibility if in 2+ years, the two sf chronicle reporters could have gotten their most depended-upon sources to agree to be named, and the san francisco grand jury testimony to be re-printed in its entirety, rather than excerpted?
                    I can't speak for the decision they made. I would have made every effort to name them, but I just don't know the circumstances.

                    As for the testimony to be reprinted in its entirety; I doubt it was practical.
                    "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                    Carl Yastrzemski

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                    • #11
                      Stop using that grey typface. It hurts my eyes!!!
                      "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                      Carl Yastrzemski

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                      • #12
                        oh, no. my parents know everything.

                        but if bonds does not know what he took, even if stemmed from an order to others not to tell him, than he simply does not know. he is protected. as it turns out, anderson went to the mat for bonds. conte apparently changed his tune and recanted.

                        what the reporters have offered is a mountain, to be sure.
                        but there appears to be a few tunnels that bore straight on through safely to the other side.
                        Last edited by west coast orange and black; 03-13-2006, 10:09 AM.
                        "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                        • #13
                          "So, this to me is just a guy telling the world he didn't see anything."
                          "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                          • #14
                            What about Dusty-

                            Team-mate of Hank when he made the run to pass Ruth.

                            Manager of Bonds.

                            Manager of Sosa.

                            Dusty has talked reams about his respect for Hank. Dusty and Sosa had a difficult relationship.

                            I would love to hear what Dusty will say on Bonds/roids/Hank's record.
                            Johnny
                            Delusion, Life's Coping Mechanism

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by west coast orange and black
                              oh, no. my parents know everything.

                              but if bonds does not know what he took, even if stemmed from an order to others not to tell him, than he simply does not know. he is protected. as it turns out, anderson went to the mat for bonds. conte apparently changed his tune and recanted.

                              what the reporters have offered is a mountain, to be sure.
                              but there appears to be a few tunnels that bore straight on through to the other side.
                              He can say he didn't know what he was taking; he can't say he didn't know he was using.

                              That's what he will be asked if there are hearings..Did you knowingly take steroids?

                              If the evidence is strong, which is likely the case, he's going to have to admit to that. I suspect he's going to have a difficult convincing anyone he didn't know what he was putting in his body.
                              "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
                              Carl Yastrzemski

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