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  • dave zirin blames baseball, not bonds

    "If he did it, hang him!" This is what ESPN radio host John Seibel said about Barry Bonds.

    This is painfully predictable payback executed by a media that Bonds has skewered throughout his career.

    Bonds is currently getting the Gen. Janis Karpinski treatment from the baseball war room. They want to stop the chain of command and make him the symbol of the baseball's "juiced era" in the 1990s.
    -dave zirin, edgeofsports.com, friday, 10 march 2006

    here's the article
    "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

  • #2
    MLB is as responsible, if not more responsible for this mess than Barry Bonds is.
    "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
    Carl Yastrzemski

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    • #3
      bonds is not to be absolved, for certain, if it is as it appears.
      "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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      • #4
        Originally posted by west coast orange and black
        bonds is not to be absolved, for certain, if it is as it appears.
        Of course not, but MLB let this happen.

        MLB needs to be sanctioned as well.
        "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
        Carl Yastrzemski

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        • #5
          any suggestions?
          "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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          • #6
            Baseball could sanction itsef and remove Selig from office as a start.

            If that's possible.
            "I think about baseball when I wake up in the morning. I think about it all day and I dream about it at night. The only time I don't think about it is when I'm playing it."
            Carl Yastrzemski

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            • #7
              Excellent article. His point about the difference that the press and the fans would have towards a McGwire chase to Aaron versus what Barry is going through is true. I don't know how much of that is due to race, or mostly because McGwire is seen as a nice guy and Barry the bad guy of baseball. But I think there is little doubt had it been somebody besides Barry making this run, there would be a completely different response in the Baseball community.

              KH14
              “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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              • #8
                stretch to knbr radio host rick barry last week:

                i question the timing [of the book].

                i question these guys who write these books about famous people and make a buck off of them. i have no respect for them, really.

                [the reporters] come up with their sources but they’ve never named their sources.

                why should i believe that what these two guys say is the gospel?

                they say they’ve never talked with barry, but then they say that barry was jealous of mark mcgwire. how do they know?

                during that time, everybody’s homeruns went up. even [ rich aurelia ]our little shortstop hit 30 homeruns.

                i know barry as well as anybody, and i have to believe what he says.

                barry is the greatest show on earth. he earns what he's doing.
                Last edited by west coast orange and black; 03-13-2006, 02:19 PM.
                "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                • #9
                  I supposing referring all the Bonds aplogists to the reference below would be a waste of time:

                  -- Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)
                  Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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                  • #10
                    the waste of time is believing that such a thing as bonds apologists exist.
                    "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                    • #11
                      your jc reference is esoteric and is lost upon me, ghost.
                      "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by west coast orange and black
                        stretch to knbr radio host rick barry last week:

                        i question the timing [of the book].

                        i question these guys who write these books about famous people and make a buck off of them. i have no respect for them, really.

                        [the reporters] come up with their sources but they’ve never named their sources.

                        why should i believe that what these two guys say is the gospel?

                        they say they’ve never talked with barry, but then they say that barry was jealous of mark mcgwire. how do they know?

                        during that time, everybody’s homeruns went up. even [ rich aurelia ]our little shortstop hit 30 homeruns.

                        i know barry as well as anybody, and i have to believe what he says.

                        barry is the greatest show on earth. he earns what he's doing.
                        don't get me started about rich aurelia. he came up to seattle and not only couldn't hit he was mediocre at best at shortstop. :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy

                        of course, those writers are in it for a buck. BUT they are also risking bucks on this as our the publishers who are the big bucks behind it all.
                        if they screwed up, they will pay. the writers will forever be discredited and barry might end up with his own publishing company.
                        Johnny
                        Delusion, Life's Coping Mechanism

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                        • #13
                          so, do you believe that the two sf chronicle reporters had no altruistic motive at all, that they were digging for gold, not for truth?
                          "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by west coast orange and black
                            so, do you believe that the two sf chronicle reporters had no altruistic motive at all, that they were digging for gold, not for truth?

                            oh they were digging all right, and it wasn't for their health.

                            just that they knew if they were less than rock solid they would have hell to pay careerwise. i fully recognize that neither they nor the publisher are in it as mother teresa's.

                            so it was less about good citizenship and more about that filthy lucre.

                            and in this case, i think they struck gold.
                            Johnny
                            Delusion, Life's Coping Mechanism

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                            • #15
                              gold. ok. but what karat?

                              the dependence upon kimberly bell's claims, the absence of named sources for important and sometimes critical passages, the uncorroborated federal grand jury testimony and the fact that only excerpts of testimony rather than full account drops the grade to mall-quality 14k, at best.

                              who wears 14k?
                              "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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