What is wrong with Tim Lincecum?

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Any thoughts, ideas, or theories? Discuss!

[Bothrops Atrox]

K/BB ratio down four straight years (so far in 2012, at least). K/9 has trended down for 4 straight years and BB/9 have increases for 4 straigh years. Velocity? No idea. No trends in his BABIP. No noticable trends in his HR% either.

His .355 BABIP so far in 2012 is not sustainable, so as long as he can walk fewer batters this year, I bet he will have a good year when it is all said and done.

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A .355 BABIP is really high isn't it?

A Yahoo! Sports article about Timmy's woes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tim-lin...l-missing.html

[Bothrops Atrox]

A .355 BABIP is really high isn't it?

A Yahoo! Sports article about Timmy's woes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tim-lin...l-missing.html

Extremely high - which indicates a lot of bad luck so far. No MLB pitcher is a true .355 BABIP pitcher - or they would be out of the league. The worst BABIP pitchers in the history of the league (who stick around for any length of time) are under .320.

In fact, of all pitchers with over 2,000 batters faced, the single worst BABIP comes from Glendon Rusch at .325.

[Rich the Giants fan]

Command has been his biggest issue, with too many walks, but he's averaging 10.1 K/9 this year, and has allowed just 17 hits in his last 23 innings, with a .210 BAA (.298 BABIP). He's having some issues mechanically and needs to avoid the "big inning", but he's real close to reeling off 15-20 straight solid-to-excellent starts and making people stop asking "what's wrong with Tim Lincecum."

[Bothrops Atrox]

He's having some issues mechanically and needs to avoid the "big inning", ."

I will check his LOB% to see how he is doing with sequencing so far...


WOW 60% LOB%. League average is around 70% and Lincecum's career was aroung 76% coming into this year. So his hits are not being as evenly distributed as one would expect so far. In other words; another reason to expect the "real" Lincecum to show up pretty soon.

The only worrisome trend is his BB rate...but that isn't going to double your ERA.

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I guess the question is who is the "real" Tim Lincecum is? Will we ever see the 2008-09 Lincecum again? This is an important question because after 2013 Timmy is a FA. The 2008-09 Lincecum is worth a huge contract. The 2010-11 Lincecum is not.

[Bothrops Atrox]

I guess the question is who is the "real" Tim Lincecum is? Will we ever see the 2008-09 Lincecum again? This is an important question because after 2013 Timmy is a FA. The 2008-09 Lincecum is worth a huge contract. The 2010-11 Lincecum is not.

Well, he hasn't been 2008-2009 Lincecum for 3 seasons, so I think a real trend is there. But I see no reason he won't look like 2010 Lincecum by the time the season is over, which is a 3.0-4.0 WAR pitcher who is close to an All Star, #2ish starter. Certainly not a poor pitcher as he appears now. Of course he will not want #2 starter money...

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Well, he hasn't been 2008-2009 Lincecum for 3 seasons, so I think a real trend is there. But I see no reason he won't look like 2010 Lincecum by the time the season is over, which is a 3.0-4.0 WAR pitcher who is close to an All Star, #2ish starter. Certainly not a poor pitcher as he appears now. Of course he will not want #2 starter money...

And that is the crux of the problem. If Timmy does settle into a 3.0-4.0, #2ish starter and he demands C.C Sabathia money the Giants will be a huge bind.

[Bothrops Atrox]

And that is the crux of the problem. If Timmy does settle into a 3.0-4.0, #2ish starter and he demands C.C Sabathia money the Giants will be a huge bind.

If he has another decent-yet-not-great season, I'd let him walk and spend the money on offense, if I were the Giants. They have a lot of pitching depth. If he dominates the last 4.5 months, pay the man.

[dominik]

Command has been his biggest issue, with too many walks, but he's averaging 10.1 K/9 this year, and has allowed just 17 hits in his last 23 innings, with a .210 BAA (.298 BABIP). He's having some issues mechanically and needs to avoid the "big inning", but he's real close to reeling off 15-20 straight solid-to-excellent starts and making people stop asking "what's wrong with Tim Lincecum."

Isn't he starting to get better after a bad start?

I think one of the problems is that hitters lay off his offspeed stuff in the dirt. combined with his velocity loss this makes him a little less dangerous. he used to throw 97 now he throws 92.

but he is still a damn good pitcher I'm just not sure if he remains a CY candidate. But I think he will continue to win a lot of games.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

The next question is why can't Timmy throw 97 mph anymore? Surely his arm hasn't deteriorated that much at age 28?

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Rob Neyer summarizes what we have discussing in this article. There's some good stuff in the comments section as well.

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/5/10/30...es-slump-death

[dominik]

The next question is why can't Timmy throw 97 mph anymore? Surely his arm hasn't deteriorated that much at age 28?

first we have to know if he really can't or if he is pacing himself.

if he can't this might be because he is a small guy who relies on enormous flexibilty to create the necessary range of motion. if he loses a little there this shortens his accleration path and costs velocity. for that reason those small explosive and flexible pitchers often lose the speed earlier than the 6"6 guy who has a longer natural acceleration path and thus often can chuck mid 90s still in their mid 30s.

another possible explanation could be that there are small overuse injuries already but I can't answer that.

[KHenry14]

The next question is why can't Timmy throw 97 mph anymore? Surely his arm hasn't deteriorated that much at age 28?

I always wondered if the reason was that Timmy was pulling a Koufax and taking a bit off the fastball to get better control. As the the years have gone by and his fastball continues to slow, I'm guessing that wasn't it.