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  • filihok
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    Originally posted by KHenry14 View Post
    Stats are a tool. So are eyes. IMO, we need both. And I admit that I am a bit fed up with whatever the next stat of the week is, too often a stat is invented not because it is needed, but because someone could figure out a new stat, so he did it. With that said, my assessment of players, both current and historical, will never be based solely upon numbers. And that's my decision. If that makes me ignorant in your opinion, so be it.
    Everyone is ignorant of something.

    What makes you ignorant of what xFIP is is your admittance that you don't know what it is.

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  • KHenry14
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    Originally posted by filihok View Post
    Ignorance is always a good reason to dismiss something.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/library/ind...pitching/xfip/
    Stats are a tool. So are eyes. IMO, we need both. And I admit that I am a bit fed up with whatever the next stat of the week is, too often a stat is invented not because it is needed, but because someone could figure out a new stat, so he did it. With that said, my assessment of players, both current and historical, will never be based solely upon numbers. And that's my decision. If that makes me ignorant in your opinion, so be it.

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  • filihok
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    Originally posted by KHenry14 View Post
    For a different view on the signing, from a Sabremetric standpoint is this: http://stangraphs.com/2012/12/18/con...-of-relievers/

    First, I don't know what the heck this guy means about the Giants "random" WS wins. And I sure as heck don't know what in the world the stat xFIP is, but I don't give a darn what this guy thinks.
    Ignorance is always a good reason to dismiss something.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/library/ind...pitching/xfip/

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  • KHenry14
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    Originally posted by KHenry14 View Post
    Looks like the Giants came to terms on a 3yr./15 mil deal with Santiago Casilla. I like this move, especially since Wilson is likely to move on.
    For a different view on the signing, from a Sabremetric standpoint is this: http://stangraphs.com/2012/12/18/con...-of-relievers/

    First, I don't know what the heck this guy means about the Giants "random" WS wins. And I sure as heck don't know what in the world the stat xFIP is, but I don't give a darn what this guy thinks. He seems to think that we can just pull a guy out of nowhere to do what Casilla did. Sure, Santiago walks more guys than I'd like, but so did Wilson. Casilla can also close, and with Romo's arm, we need guys who can step into that role if need be. Relief may be the "least important" part of any team. But the Giants win WS titles because of timely hitting and one of the best pitching staffs in MLB, and Casilla is part of that. And this is more important since Wilson isn't likely to be part of the team.

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  • KHenry14
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    Looks like the Giants came to terms on a 3yr./15 mil deal with Santiago Casilla. I like this move, especially since Wilson is likely to move on.
    Last edited by KHenry14; 12-17-2012, 09:35 PM.

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  • KHenry14
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    Torres is a good guy, but to be honest, I don't hold out much hope that he's going to be much help. But I'd love to be wrong about that.

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
    superb fielder, base runner and small ball player
    hits well as a RH (Blanco does poor against exceptional LHP)
    great clubhouse and team chemistry guy
    can play all 3 OF positions

    att park is a park for small ball guys

    I like it
    I like Torres. Gald to hear he is back. If he can return to his 2009-10 form he'll be a huge asset. One major concern i have is that he'll be 35 years old next season.

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  • 9RoyHobbsRF
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    Originally posted by KHenry14 View Post
    In a classic "what the heck" move by Sabean, the Giants have signed Andes Torres to a one year deal: http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2012/1...andres-torres/

    Not sure how he works into the lineup, but at least he's cheap.
    superb fielder, base runner and small ball player
    hits well as a RH (Blanco does poor against exceptional LHP)
    great clubhouse and team chemistry guy
    can play all 3 OF positions

    att park is a park for small ball guys

    I like it

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    So while the Dodgers are spending money like the U.S. Department of Defense the Giants are signing players like Andres Torres. It should be an interesting 2013 season.

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  • KHenry14
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    In a classic "what the heck" move by Sabean, the Giants have signed Andes Torres to a one year deal: http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2012/1...andres-torres/

    Not sure how he works into the lineup, but at least he's cheap.

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  • 9RoyHobbsRF
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    Scutaro on board for 3 years

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  • 9RoyHobbsRF
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    4 Giants win Gibby Awards

    Greatness in Baseball Yearly Awards went to catcher Buster Posey (Comeback Player of the Year), right-hander Sergio Romo (top setup reliever), third baseman Pablo Sandoval (postseason Most Valuable Player) and right-hander Matt Cain (pitching performance of the year).

    http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/n...ews_sf&c_id=sf

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  • 9RoyHobbsRF
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    Scutaro's age is way up there and his value and interest with other teams is also getting up there

    The Giants are probably better suited to lose Scutaro than any other free agent with Theriot (who started most of last year) still around

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    Originally posted by Ben Grimm View Post
    What's up with Scutaro? I'm expecting him to be re-signed by the Giants.
    No idea. I think the Giants do want to sign Scutaro.

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  • Ben Grimm
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    The Giants may be interested in Ryan Ludwick or Scott Hairston.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...gers-cubs.html
    What's up with Scutaro? I'm expecting him to be re-signed by the Giants.

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