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    We tend to talk about the great Giants of the past. So I thought I'd start a thread to remember Giants that we remember from years ago that are mostly forgotten. They don't have to be superstars. I've always had a morbid fascination with Johnnie LeMaster, so I''l start with him.

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    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

  • #2
    Jim Ray Hart had some very good years in the middle of the second deadball era and is mostly overlooked or forgotten

    he hit 31 HR as a rookie and 33 a few years later
    1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
    2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
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    • #3
      Why did Jim Ray Hart drop of so drastically. All I know him from is Yankee baseball cards. But he went from 25-30 HR with good avg and RBI to pfft in no time at all. I probably have asked before and was told of an injury but I can't quite recall.

      It seems to me that the 70s Giants had a lot of guys with "promise" that never fulfilled it in SF. John D'Acquisto, Steve Ontiveros, Larry Herndon, Terry Whitfield.

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      • #4
        Problem with the Giants in the 70's was that they kept the wrong guys and traded the good ones (save Jack Clark). From Kingman, to Foster, to Maddox and Mathews, they all left to become stars elsewhere. Meanwhile the Giants got guys like Murcer and Madlock, who were much better elsewhere.

        I loved watching Terry Whitfield swing....just didnt see him actually hit the ball that much!
        “Well, I like to say I’m completely focused, right? I mean, the game’s on the line. It’s not like I’m thinking about what does barbecue Pop Chips and Cholula taste like. Because I already know that answer — it tastes friggin’ awesome!"--Brian Wilson

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
          Jim Ray Hart had some very good years in the middle of the second deadball era and is mostly overlooked or forgotten

          he hit 31 HR as a rookie and 33 a few years later
          A few years ago I was researching who was the greatest SF Giants third baseman. I didn't know much about Hart other than his name. I was quite surprised to learn he was African-American! What kind of defensive player was Hart? Either Matt Williams or Hart is the greatest SF Giants third baseman.

          Jimmy Ray Hart RC.jpeg
          Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 02-21-2013, 01:17 PM.
          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
            Why did Jim Ray Hart drop of so drastically. All I know him from is Yankee baseball cards. But he went from 25-30 HR with good avg and RBI to pfft in no time at all. I probably have asked before and was told of an injury but I can't quite recall.

            It seems to me that the 70s Giants had a lot of guys with "promise" that never fulfilled it in SF. John D'Acquisto, Steve Ontiveros, Larry Herndon, Terry Whitfield.
            Apparently, Hart had a drinking problem Hart said led to his demise as a ballplayer.

            http://whenthegiantscometotown.blogs...-ray-hart.html
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • #7
              Strat-O-Matic always rated him a 4, the worst you could be rated then

              Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
              A few years ago I was researching who was the greatest SF Giants third baseman. I didn't know much about Hart other than his name. I was quite surprised to learn he was African-American! What kind of defensive player was Hart? Either Matt Williams or Hart is the greatest SF Giants third baseman.

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              1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
              2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
              3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                Why did Jim Ray Hart drop of so drastically. All I know him from is Yankee baseball cards. But he went from 25-30 HR with good avg and RBI to pfft in no time at all. I probably have asked before and was told of an injury but I can't quite recall.

                It seems to me that the 70s Giants had a lot of guys with "promise" that never fulfilled it in SF. John D'Acquisto, Steve Ontiveros, Larry Herndon, Terry Whitfield.
                I seem to recall someone saying that Jim Ray Hart had alcohol issues during his time with the Yankees.

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                • #9
                  I am sure I have mentioned in this category but in 1970 Dick Dietz had a rare triple accomplishment for a C

                  He hit .300, with over 100 BB and 100 RBI

                  Something Johnny Bench, Mike Piazza, Roy Campanella, Yogi Berra, or Bill Dickey never did

                  nor Cochrane Fisk, Carter, Mauer, Posey, SImmons
                  Last edited by 9RoyHobbsRF; 02-21-2013, 11:18 PM.
                  1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                  2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
                  3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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                  • #10
                    I can remember this story from maybe 1967

                    The Giants used to play an in season game down in Santa CLara (where I lived) vs the local Santa Clara University Broncos

                    I was known as a little baseball pheenom and was allowed to take leave from school and go to the game, in 1967 I would have been 9

                    Hart was walking down the RF line after playing a few innings and all the kids were shouting "Jimmy, Jimmy" - he kept walking

                    I said "Mr. Hart" and he stopped, turned around, and gave me an autograph

                    I met Willie Mays once or twice this same way
                    1. The more I learn, the more convinced I am that many players are over-rated due to inflated stats from offensive home parks (and eras)
                    2. Strat-O-Matic Baseball Player, Collector and Hobbyist since 1969, visit my strat site: http://forums.delphiforums.com/GamersParadise
                    3. My table top gaming blog: http://cary333.blogspot.com/

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                    • #11
                      I had baseball cards of Randy Ready and Candy Maldanado. Candy was pretty decent in his day.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 9RoyHobbsRF View Post
                        I am sure I have mentioned in this category but in 1970 Dick Dietz had a rare triple accomplishment for a C

                        He hit .300, with over 100 BB and 100 RBI

                        Something Johnny Bench, Mike Piazza, Roy Campanella, Yogi Berra, or Bill Dickey never did

                        nor Cochrane Fisk, Carter, Mauer, Posey, SImmons
                        Dick Dietz!!

                        Dick Dietz.jpg

                        Dick Dietz.png
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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