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  • All-time all-Cardinals team

    Here's a team I posted on another board. What do you guys think?

    1B Albert Pujols
    2B Rogers Hornsby
    SS Ozzie Smith
    3B Ken Boyer
    LF Stan Musial
    CF Jim Edmonds
    RF Enos Slaughter
    C Joe Torre
    SP Bob Gibson
    closer Bruce Sutter

    Bench - Johnny Mize, Joe Medwick, Lou Brock, Ted Simmons, Mark McGwire, Willie McGee, Frankie Frisch
    Bullpen starters/middle relief - Dizzy Dean, Jesse Haines, Pete Alexander (Grover Cleveland), John Tudor, Mort Cooper
    Bullpen closers - Todd Worrell, Lee Smith

  • #2
    I'd take Simmons over Torre at catcher. Torre had one great year with the Cardinals. Simmons had a decade of very good.

    I know that an All-Busch team is being made. What are the thoughts on that. I think Pujols has to be the firstbasemen, but consider who the firstbasemen were McGwire, Hernandez, Cepada.

    2B-Tommy Herr (All-Busch Team)

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    • #3
      Gibby, I'd concur with DF about Simmons being the catcher although Ted wasn't too good on defense. Otherwise, I'd go along with your other picks, but I also think you have to mention Red Schoendienst, Curt Flood, Marty Marion and Steve Carlton. I know Lefty wasn't with us that long but he was pretty tough for a 5 year period.
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      • #4
        Joe Torre never did a lot of catching for the Cardinals. When the Cardinals obtained him from the Braves before the 1969 season, Joe spent most of the year playing first base, backing up Tim McCarver behind the plate only on occasion.

        McCarver was traded to Philadelphia in 1970, and with Richie Allen on the Cardinals, along with rookie Joe Hague (both primarily first sackers), Joe moved back behind the plate for about 90 games, while Ted Simmons was developing. As the season progressed, Simmons took over the job and Joe went back to the infield.....for good. Joe made the move to third base when Mike Shannon took ill in 1970. He won the MVP Award in 1971 as a third sacker.

        Torre never caught another major league game after 1970.

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        • #5
          I'm wondering, but if Andy Van Slyke was not traded, would he have a place on this list? The outfield would be tough to crack, but perhaps the bench or the All- Busch team?

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          • #6
            Can a mod who is knowledgabke about Cardimnals history add a poll to this thread?

            I want the results for the All-Time position by position battle. I have a thread about it in the history forum if you're interested.
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            • #7
              c simmons
              1b pujols
              2b hornsby
              3b boyer
              ss ozzie
              of musial
              terry moore
              lou brock

              bench
              mcgwire
              scott rolen
              marty marion
              jose oquendo
              roger bresnahan
              edmonds
              curt flood
              willie mcgee

              starters
              bob gibson
              dizzy dean
              pete alexander
              bob forsch
              john tudor

              bullpen
              bruce sutter
              todd worrell
              lee smith
              dennis eckersley

              throw in the cooper brothers for a long relief man and a bullpen catcher

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hubkittel
                c simmons
                1b pujols
                2b hornsby
                3b boyer
                ss ozzie
                of musial
                terry moore
                lou brock

                bench
                mcgwire
                scott rolen
                marty marion
                jose oquendo
                roger bresnahan
                edmonds
                curt flood
                willie mcgee

                starters
                bob gibson
                dizzy dean
                pete alexander
                bob forsch
                john tudor

                bullpen
                bruce sutter
                todd worrell
                lee smith
                dennis eckersley

                throw in the cooper brothers for a long relief man and a bullpen catcher
                Chuck out McGwire* and that looks very good. If Carpenter win the CYA you hasve to consider putting him in somewhere
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rickey_Henderson
                  Chuck out McGwire* and that looks very good. If Carpenter win the CYA you hasve to consider putting him in somewhere
                  i almost left mcgwire off the team-figured musial could back up first and then i could add another bullpen arm. or i could put keith hernandez on the team as a late inning defensive replacement. as to carp, i'd let him have forsch's spot in the rotation if he won that second cy young-but right now i don't think he has enough time with the cardinals to merit a place on the all time team. i also felt kind of bad leaving julian javier off the team-oquendo took his spot (you never know when you're going to get into a 25 inning game and need a middle infielder to pitch).
                  Last edited by hubkittel; 09-26-2006, 04:45 PM.

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                  • #10
                    C- Simmons
                    1B- Pujols
                    2B- Hornsby
                    3B- Rolen
                    SS- Ozzie
                    LF- Musial
                    CF- Edmonds
                    RF- Slaughter

                    Bench
                    McGwire
                    Boyer
                    Brock
                    Mize
                    McGee

                    Rotation
                    Gibson
                    Alexander
                    Dizzy Dean
                    John Tudor
                    Chris Carpenter

                    Bullpen
                    Eckersley
                    Smith
                    Sutter
                    Worrell

                    If we only had that bullpen this year.
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                    • #11
                      1B- tie between McGwire and Pujols
                      2B- Hornsby
                      SS- Smith
                      3B- Rolen
                      OF- Slaughter, Brock, and McGee
                      C- Simmons

                      Rotation-
                      Dizzy Dean
                      Grover Alexander
                      Steve Carlton
                      Bob Gibson
                      Kid Nichols

                      Bullpen
                      Dennis Eckersley
                      Bruce Sutter
                      Jason Isringhausen
                      Lee Smith

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by overhandgas53
                        1B- tie between McGwire and Pujols
                        2B- Hornsby
                        SS- Smith
                        3B- Rolen
                        OF- Slaughter, Brock, and McGee
                        C- Simmons

                        Rotation-
                        Dizzy Dean
                        Grover Alexander
                        Steve Carlton
                        Bob Gibson
                        Kid Nichols

                        Bullpen
                        Dennis Eckersley
                        Bruce Sutter
                        Jason Isringhausen
                        Lee Smith
                        dude, if i can still read, i think you just left stan musial off your all time cardinal team.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hubkittel
                          dude, if i can still read, i think you just left stan musial off your all time cardinal team.
                          whoops my bad

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                          • #14
                            1b-Pujols
                            2b-Hornsby
                            3b-K. Boyer
                            ss- O. Smith
                            of-Musial/Brock/Slaughter
                            C-Simmons

                            bench-Mize/Rolen/McGee/Edmonds/Torre/McGwire/Medwick/ Frisch
                            sp-Gibson, Dean, Alexander, Carlton, Carpenter
                            rp- Sutton, L. Smith, D. Eckersly, Izzy

                            Manager- Hertzog
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                            • #15
                              1B - Pujols
                              2B - Hornsby
                              SS - Smith
                              3B - Boyer
                              OF - Musial
                              OF - Medwick
                              OF - Brock
                              C - Simmons

                              Bench - Mize, Frisch, Schoendienst, Rolen, Slaughter, Renteria, McCarver, Edmonds

                              SP - Gibson
                              SP - Dean
                              SP - Haines
                              SP - M. Cooper
                              SP - Sherdel
                              SP - Brecheen

                              RP - L. McDaniel
                              RP - Sutter
                              RP - Brazle

                              Manager - Southworth
                              "(Ty) Cobb is a prick. But he sure can hit. God Almighty, that man can hit." - Babe Ruth

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