All-time all-Cardinals team

[bobgibson]

Here's a team I posted on another board. What do you guys think?

1B Albert Pujols
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Ozzie Smith
3B Ken Boyer
LF Stan Musial
CF Jim Edmonds
RF Enos Slaughter
C Joe Torre
SP Bob Gibson
closer Bruce Sutter

Bench - Johnny Mize, Joe Medwick, Lou Brock, Ted Simmons, Mark McGwire, Willie McGee, Frankie Frisch
Bullpen starters/middle relief - Dizzy Dean, Jesse Haines, Pete Alexander (Grover Cleveland), John Tudor, Mort Cooper
Bullpen closers - Todd Worrell, Lee Smith

[Designated Fielder]

I'd take Simmons over Torre at catcher. Torre had one great year with the Cardinals. Simmons had a decade of very good.

I know that an All-Busch team is being made. What are the thoughts on that. I think Pujols has to be the firstbasemen, but consider who the firstbasemen were McGwire, Hernandez, Cepada.

2B-Tommy Herr (All-Busch Team)

[64Cards]

Gibby, I'd concur with DF about Simmons being the catcher although Ted wasn't too good on defense. Otherwise, I'd go along with your other picks, but I also think you have to mention Red Schoendienst, Curt Flood, Marty Marion and Steve Carlton. I know Lefty wasn't with us that long but he was pretty tough for a 5 year period.

[Iron Jaw]

Joe Torre never did a lot of catching for the Cardinals. When the Cardinals obtained him from the Braves before the 1969 season, Joe spent most of the year playing first base, backing up Tim McCarver behind the plate only on occasion.

McCarver was traded to Philadelphia in 1970, and with Richie Allen on the Cardinals, along with rookie Joe Hague (both primarily first sackers), Joe moved back behind the plate for about 90 games, while Ted Simmons was developing. As the season progressed, Simmons took over the job and Joe went back to the infield.....for good. Joe made the move to third base when Mike Shannon took ill in 1970. He won the MVP Award in 1971 as a third sacker.

Torre never caught another major league game after 1970.

[Steve Jeltz]

I'm wondering, but if Andy Van Slyke was not traded, would he have a place on this list? The outfield would be tough to crack, but perhaps the bench or the All- Busch team?

[Mariano_Rivera]

Can a mod who is knowledgabke about Cardimnals history add a poll to this thread?

I want the results for the All-Time position by position battle. I have a thread about it in the history forum if you're interested.

[hubkittel]

c simmons
1b pujols
2b hornsby
3b boyer
ss ozzie
of musial
terry moore
lou brock

bench
mcgwire
scott rolen
marty marion
jose oquendo
roger bresnahan
edmonds
curt flood
willie mcgee

starters
bob gibson
dizzy dean
pete alexander
bob forsch
john tudor

bullpen
bruce sutter
todd worrell
lee smith
dennis eckersley

throw in the cooper brothers for a long relief man and a bullpen catcher

[Mariano_Rivera]

c simmons
1b pujols
2b hornsby
3b boyer
ss ozzie
of musial
terry moore
lou brock

bench
mcgwire
scott rolen
marty marion
jose oquendo
roger bresnahan
edmonds
curt flood
willie mcgee

starters
bob gibson
dizzy dean
pete alexander
bob forsch
john tudor

bullpen
bruce sutter
todd worrell
lee smith
dennis eckersley

throw in the cooper brothers for a long relief man and a bullpen catcher

Chuck out McGwire* and that looks very good. If Carpenter win the CYA you hasve to consider putting him in somewhere

[hubkittel]

Chuck out McGwire* and that looks very good. If Carpenter win the CYA you hasve to consider putting him in somewhere

i almost left mcgwire off the team-figured musial could back up first and then i could add another bullpen arm. or i could put keith hernandez on the team as a late inning defensive replacement. as to carp, i'd let him have forsch's spot in the rotation if he won that second cy young-but right now i don't think he has enough time with the cardinals to merit a place on the all time team. i also felt kind of bad leaving julian javier off the team-oquendo took his spot (you never know when you're going to get into a 25 inning game and need a middle infielder to pitch).

[keystone12]

C- Simmons
1B- Pujols
2B- Hornsby
3B- Rolen
SS- Ozzie
LF- Musial
CF- Edmonds
RF- Slaughter

Bench
McGwire
Boyer
Brock
Mize
McGee

Rotation
Gibson
Alexander
Dizzy Dean
John Tudor
Chris Carpenter

Bullpen
Eckersley
Smith
Sutter
Worrell

If we only had that bullpen this year.

[overhandgas53]

1B- tie between McGwire and Pujols
2B- Hornsby
SS- Smith
3B- Rolen
OF- Slaughter, Brock, and McGee
C- Simmons

Rotation-
Dizzy Dean
Grover Alexander
Steve Carlton
Bob Gibson
Kid Nichols

Bullpen
Dennis Eckersley
Bruce Sutter
Jason Isringhausen
Lee Smith

[hubkittel]

1B- tie between McGwire and Pujols
2B- Hornsby
SS- Smith
3B- Rolen
OF- Slaughter, Brock, and McGee
C- Simmons

Rotation-
Dizzy Dean
Grover Alexander
Steve Carlton
Bob Gibson
Kid Nichols

Bullpen
Dennis Eckersley
Bruce Sutter
Jason Isringhausen
Lee Smith

dude, if i can still read, i think you just left stan musial off your all time cardinal team.

[overhandgas53]

dude, if i can still read, i think you just left stan musial off your all time cardinal team.

whoops my bad

[antihipster]

1b-Pujols
2b-Hornsby
3b-K. Boyer
ss- O. Smith
of-Musial/Brock/Slaughter
C-Simmons

bench-Mize/Rolen/McGee/Edmonds/Torre/McGwire/Medwick/ Frisch
sp-Gibson, Dean, Alexander, Carlton, Carpenter
rp- Sutton, L. Smith, D. Eckersly, Izzy

Manager- Hertzog

[Slats]

1B - Pujols
2B - Hornsby
SS - Smith
3B - Boyer
OF - Musial
OF - Medwick
OF - Brock
C - Simmons

Bench - Mize, Frisch, Schoendienst, Rolen, Slaughter, Renteria, McCarver, Edmonds

SP - Gibson
SP - Dean
SP - Haines
SP - M. Cooper
SP - Sherdel
SP - Brecheen

RP - L. McDaniel
RP - Sutter
RP - Brazle

Manager - Southworth