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  • #46
    Originally posted by Iowanic View Post
    If the dodgers couldn't beat 'also-rans' in 7 games, they shouldn't be in the world series.
    It was 5 games.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

      All 4 teams were pretty good. We have seen tons of 82-88 win teams in the final 4 in years past. The two worst records, the Cardinals and Nats had the best and second best records in baseball since the All Star Break. None of those four teams would have been an embarrassing WS entry.
      Throps, I have an 85 year old friend who has been a Cardinal fan since like 1941. He still has his scrapbook from following the 1942 Cards when he was 8 years old. He has a room in his house that is all Cardinals. I told him that it didn't end well, but there are plenty of other teams that would have loved to have as good a season as you just had.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

        I'd like to be your bookmaker if you don't care about run differential. I would think someone who calls himself "SABR" would be more into stats like that.

        The current NATS have little do do with the team that started 19-31 this season. The Nats have been the best team in baseball since then, at 74-38 (.661).

        So, you want to go back to just the top team in each league goes right to the world series?

        If we did that we would not have had a lot of the great moments in the post season over the past 50 years. Chambliss's HR in 1976, Brett's 3 run HR off of Gossage in 1980. The greatest post season series ever, the 1980 Phillies-Astros NLCS, Halladays' no hitter, Freese's heroics in 2011, Gibson's HR off of Eckersley, etc....None of those things would have happened if the team with the best record went right to the world series.
        SABR is more than just numbers, Savoy. There are several areas one can do research in, and mine include Pictorial History and Biographical. In any case, Baseball "Ignorantly" goes by won-loss records. That's what counts. Now maybe you want to use the pythagorean to determine division champs, and you are entitled to your opinion. Think about it, you'll thank me later?

        I'm glad I was corrected above, but a second look showed me that the Braves were 9-4 against the Nats since the All-Star game. (I think)

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        • #49
          Originally posted by SABR Steve View Post

          SABR is more than just numbers, Savoy. There are several areas one can do research in, and mine include Pictorial History and Biographical. In any case, Baseball "Ignorantly" goes by won-loss records. That's what counts. Now maybe you want to use the pythagorean to determine division champs,
          No, but I want to use run differential to assess the strength of each team going into the post season. That's what Vegas does, and they're a lot smarter about that than we are. The idea of baseball is to score as many runs as you can, and prevent the other team from scoring runs. Who wins one run games is mainly about luck and random chance. The last place 1974 Padres were 60-102. but they went 31-16 in one run games.

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          • #50
            It would be interesting to see the 5 NL playoff teams combined records against each other. I know the Caridnals were 21-18 vs. the other four.
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            • #51
              You got me there, Savoy. I'm not a gambling man, but you may have won money in 2018 betting on the Braves, and lost your shirt in 1995 when they won the World Series.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                It would be interesting to see the 5 NL playoff teams combined records against each other. I know the Caridnals were 21-18 vs. the other four.
                Only the Nationals had a losing record against the other 4 teams.

                Braves - 20-17
                Nationals - 15-24
                Brewers - 19-19
                Cardinals - 21-18
                Dodgers 15-12

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by SABR Steve View Post
                  You got me there, Savoy. I'm not a gambling man, but you may have won money in 2018 betting on the Braves, and lost your shirt in 1995 when they won the World Series.
                  I think the Braves were the betting underdog in 1995. It would have been a great bet to take the Braves.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

                    I think the Braves were the betting underdog in 1995. It would have been a great bet to take the Braves.
                    No, the Braves were a pretty strong favorite for the series, -170 the Indians were +150.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                      No, the Braves were a pretty strong favorite for the series, -170 the Indians were +150.
                      Well nevermind then. That would have been a poor bet.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

                        Well nevermind then. That would have been a poor bet.
                        I had $200 on the Tribe in the 97 series, getting +140 against Florida. So Mesa and company cost me $480. Instead of winning $280 I lost $200.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                          I had $200 on the Tribe in the 97 series, getting +140 against Florida. So Mesa and company cost me $480. Instead of winning $280 I lost $200.
                          I was literally seconds away from putting $100 on Mizzou yesterday with a +21 point spread vs. Vandy. My wife begged me to, but my father-in-law convinced me not to. Mizzou lost 21-14.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

                            I was literally seconds away from putting $100 on Mizzou yesterday with a +21 point spread vs. Vandy. My wife begged me to, but my father-in-law convinced me not to. Mizzou lost 21-14.
                            That's a new one, a wife begging a husband to bet on sports.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                              That's a new one, a wife begging a husband to bet on sports.
                              I don 't do it often.
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                              • #60
                                Hope the cards can build off the experience they gained from all this.

                                What is your take on the Flaherty situation from probably not using him in game 5 of the nlds and saved him for one of the home nlcs games?

                                To me. If the offense isn't doing anything then it doesn't matter which what happened.

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