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  • another cardinals all-tiime lineup please!

    by batting order, please!

  • #2
    Assuming decent longevity with the team:

    1. Lou Brock OF
    2. Ozzie Smith SS
    3. Stan Musial OF
    4. Rogers Hornsby 2B
    5. Johhny Mize 1B
    6. Ken Boyer 3B
    7. Joe Medwick OF
    8. Ted Simmons OF
    9. Bob Gibson P

    Bench

    1B Albert Pujols
    2B Frankie Frisch
    3B Scott Rolen
    SS Marty Marion
    C Joe Torre (even though he didn'tplat much C as a Cardinal. Gotta get that bat in there somewhow)
    OF Jim Edmonds
    OF Enos Slaughter

    HM: Jesse Burkett & Ray Lankford

    P Dizzy Dean
    P Mort Cooper
    P Harry Brecheen
    P Curt Simmons
    P Lon Warneke
    P Jesse Haines
    P Bruce Sutter
    P Todd Worrell
    P Jason Isringhausen

    HM: Curt Simmons & Larry Jackson

    The lineup and bench would compare favorably with any franchises' all-time team. The staff/pen is suprisingly weak when compared to the other long-time teams all-time staffs (Braves, Giants, Red Sox, etc.) Had Carlton/Alexander spent a little more time here, that would have been a different story.

    1st base is a deep position in the franchises' history. Connor, Hernandez, McGwire, even Musial, would be on many teams all-time list. That doesn't even include a bunch of secon-tier starts like Bottomly, J.Clark and Guerrero.
    Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 05-17-2008, 10:21 PM.
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    • #3
      Brock
      Medwick
      Musial
      Pujols
      Hornsby
      Simmons
      Boyer
      Smith

      Not much of a change, just replacing Mize with Pujols, moving Simmons up in the order to get a lefty up higher, and moving Smith to the bottom of the order.
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      • #4
        Brock
        Smith
        Musial
        Pujols
        Hornsby
        Medwick
        Torre
        McCarver
        Gibson

        I put Torre at 3rd for his bat. That is where he played as a Card.
        McCarver over Simmons was tough. I went for defense here. It is not as if you needed another bat in that lineup.

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        • #5
          With all the pitching this team would have.... I definitely take Simmons over Torre and McCarver. Who needs defense with Gibson, Dean, Cooper, Brecheen, etc.? AND with Ozzie Smith going from foul line to foul line.
          "Herman Franks to Sal Yvars to Bobby Thomson. Ralph Branca to Bobby Thomson to Helen Rita... cue Russ Hodges."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by StanTheMan View Post
            With all the pitching this team would have.... I definitely take Simmons over Torre and McCarver. Who needs defense with Gibson, Dean, Cooper, Brecheen, etc.? AND with Ozzie Smith going from foul line to foul line.

            Joe Torre only caught in 107 games for the Cardinals, most of them in 1970 (90) when Ted Simmons was still developing. Torre played first base during his maiden season in St. Louis while Tim McCarver was still the catcher. Tim couldn't hit like Joe, but he was more than adequate at the plate (particularly during his first five full seasons) and was a lot better defensively than Joe. Simmons was decent behind the plate and a terrific hitter. I can't think of a catcher in Cardinal history who was better than Ted with everything considered.

            Walker Cooper was a very good catcher and outstanding hitter, but he only played three seasons as a starter for the Cardinals from 1942-44 while his brother, Mort, was the Cardinal ace on the mound. He had some great years with the Giants afterwards.

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