another cardinals all-tiime lineup please!

[neeneecuss]

by batting order, please!

[Bothrops Atrox]

Assuming decent longevity with the team:

1. Lou Brock OF
2. Ozzie Smith SS
3. Stan Musial OF
4. Rogers Hornsby 2B
5. Johhny Mize 1B
6. Ken Boyer 3B
7. Joe Medwick OF
8. Ted Simmons OF
9. Bob Gibson P

Bench

1B Albert Pujols
2B Frankie Frisch
3B Scott Rolen
SS Marty Marion
C Joe Torre (even though he didn'tplat much C as a Cardinal. Gotta get that bat in there somewhow)
OF Jim Edmonds
OF Enos Slaughter

HM: Jesse Burkett & Ray Lankford

P Dizzy Dean
P Mort Cooper
P Harry Brecheen
P Curt Simmons
P Lon Warneke
P Jesse Haines
P Bruce Sutter
P Todd Worrell
P Jason Isringhausen

HM: Curt Simmons & Larry Jackson

The lineup and bench would compare favorably with any franchises' all-time team. The staff/pen is suprisingly weak when compared to the other long-time teams all-time staffs (Braves, Giants, Red Sox, etc.) Had Carlton/Alexander spent a little more time here, that would have been a different story.

1st base is a deep position in the franchises' history. Connor, Hernandez, McGwire, even Musial, would be on many teams all-time list. That doesn't even include a bunch of secon-tier starts like Bottomly, J.Clark and Guerrero.

[StanTheMan]

Brock
Medwick
Musial
Pujols
Hornsby
Simmons
Boyer
Smith

Not much of a change, just replacing Mize with Pujols, moving Simmons up in the order to get a lefty up higher, and moving Smith to the bottom of the order.

[soberdennis]

Brock
Smith
Musial
Pujols
Hornsby
Medwick
Torre
McCarver
Gibson

I put Torre at 3rd for his bat. That is where he played as a Card.
McCarver over Simmons was tough. I went for defense here. It is not as if you needed another bat in that lineup.

[StanTheMan]

With all the pitching this team would have.... I definitely take Simmons over Torre and McCarver. Who needs defense with Gibson, Dean, Cooper, Brecheen, etc.? AND with Ozzie Smith going from foul line to foul line.

[Iron Jaw]

With all the pitching this team would have.... I definitely take Simmons over Torre and McCarver. Who needs defense with Gibson, Dean, Cooper, Brecheen, etc.? AND with Ozzie Smith going from foul line to foul line.

Joe Torre only caught in 107 games for the Cardinals, most of them in 1970 (90) when Ted Simmons was still developing. Torre played first base during his maiden season in St. Louis while Tim McCarver was still the catcher. Tim couldn't hit like Joe, but he was more than adequate at the plate (particularly during his first five full seasons) and was a lot better defensively than Joe. Simmons was decent behind the plate and a terrific hitter. I can't think of a catcher in Cardinal history who was better than Ted with everything considered.

Walker Cooper was a very good catcher and outstanding hitter, but he only played three seasons as a starter for the Cardinals from 1942-44 while his brother, Mort, was the Cardinal ace on the mound. He had some great years with the Giants afterwards.