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    Is it just me, or does this guy not get enough respect and recognition- especially these days?

    Last year, he came over to a new team, changed leagues, and hit as well as Albert Pujols over the last 63 games of the year (OPS+ 168). He was a huge factor in the Cards burying the NL Central in August-September.

    This year he's fourth in the entire league in OPS+ (147) and is in the top 10 (mostly top 5) in all the important offensive categories.

    Does he get downgraded because his fielding isn't great? Does he not get the proper recognition for being a truly tremendous player mainly because he's in Albert's massive shadow?

  • #2
    According to TZ, UZR, and +/- - he is an average glove with average range and an average arm. People just remember last October and judge him on that. But yes, he is one of the top 5-6 hitters in the NL and has been for 4-5 years now. Recognition? He gets his due, I think.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
      According to TZ, UZR, and +/- - he is an average glove with average range and an average arm. People just remember last October and judge him on that. But yes, he is one of the top 5-6 hitters in the NL and has been for 4-5 years now. Recognition? He gets his due, I think.
      Are you in town there? It may be he's revered in the Cardinals region, but unheralded elsewhere, due to the pervasive East Coast Bias. Here in NY he gets little to no recognition.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by csh19792001 View Post
        Are you in town there? It may be he's revered in the Cardinals region, but unheralded elsewhere, due to the pervasive East Coast Bias. Here in NY he gets little to no recognition.
        I am in town. Yeah, he doesn't get tons of national attention now, but he did in 2007 and he did during the trade-time last year.
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        • #5
          It's just a massive a shadow if you play with albert. Naturally most attention goes to the star of the team. Holliday is respected by experts, but the normal guy just thinks about albert if he thinks about the cards. It's the way it goes with superstars. Like the yanks were only associated with the babe back then. Or the bulls with jordan, the cavs(now miami) with lebron or the red sox with williams.

          Great championship teams always have co stars, but the are often overlooked. Just like pippen in chicago back then.
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          • #6
            So do you guys think that Holliday broke that #7 curse this season? You know everybody who has worn #7 after Joe Medwick has struggled either with health or performance.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by JessePopHaines16 View Post
              So do you guys think that Holliday broke that #7 curse this season? You know everybody who has worn #7 after Joe Medwick has struggled either with health or performance.
              I was a Cardinal fan while still in the womb, and grew up in St Louis.... but I have never heard anyone speak of a cursed #7. Interesting....
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              • #8
                Originally posted by StanTheMan View Post
                I was a Cardinal fan while still in the womb, and grew up in St Louis.... but I have never heard anyone speak of a cursed #7. Interesting....
                You never noticed that anybody who wore #7 after Medwick had either injury plagued (like JD Drew) or played horrible (Like Adam Kennedy) for the Cardinals?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JessePopHaines16 View Post
                  You never noticed that anybody who wore #7 after Medwick had either injury plagued (like JD Drew) or played horrible (Like Adam Kennedy) for the Cardinals?
                  No and I have never heard anything about a #7 curse either. Is this well-documented?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
                    No and I have never heard anything about a #7 curse either. Is this well-documented?
                    Not really well documented. Just that when you look at all the players who have worn #7 after Medwick was traded in the middle of the 40 season they have done pretty bad either by injuries or production except for Matt Holliday.

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