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    I know the popular wisdom is that the trade of andy Van Slyke to Pittsburgh helped us win a pennant in 1987 by giving the Cardinals solidity "up the middle" with Tony Pena.

    But looking back at it on paper it looks pretty bad:
    Tony never wins another defensive honor with the Cardinals, he hits only .214 (25 points less than Mike Lavalliere did in 86)
    Van Slyke goes on to be an offensive and defensive All-Star, as promised
    Lavalliere hits .300
    Mike Dunne wins the league in W-L% even after being promoted to the Pirates in June

    thoughts? on the whole, good trade or bad?

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    Pena played some good D, don't forget that. But it was a bad trade.
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    • #3
      Van Slyke said some things upon leaving the Mariners.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Phantom Dreamer View Post
        Van Slyke said some things upon leaving the Mariners.
        Like what?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Brownieand45sfan View Post
          Like what?
          The only thing I saw was a few articles on van Slyke talking trash about Robinson Cano.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
              The only thing I saw was a few articles on van Slyke talking trash about Robinson Cano.
              There was some jealousy regarding Edgar Martinez, bitterness about Howard Johnson being fired earlier.
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              • #8
                You can make these threads for every team about player x that was traded and blossomed somewhere else. Regarding Van Slyke, I really believe he benefitted from the change of scenery. He played 4 years in St. Louis and never blossomed into a star, IIRC had quite a bit of pressure as he was highly touted.

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                • #9
                  He also said Kershaw demanded the Dodgers trade Puig, which of course would have benefitted his boy.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Phantom Dreamer View Post
                    There was some jealousy regarding Edgar Martinez, bitterness about Howard Johnson being fired earlier.
                    I don't recall any of that, just the Cano comments. What was it?

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                    • #11
                      Here's the Seattle Times' account of Van Slyke's comments.
                      http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/m...dgar-martinez/
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Phantom Dreamer View Post
                        Here's the Seattle Times' account of Van Slyke's comments.
                        http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/m...dgar-martinez/
                        Thanks for posting that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Benson View Post
                          You can make these threads for every team about player x that was traded and blossomed somewhere else. Regarding Van Slyke, I really believe he benefitted from the change of scenery. He played 4 years in St. Louis and never blossomed into a star, IIRC had quite a bit of pressure as he was highly touted.
                          Yup, these things are easy to judge in hindsight. Pena was probably the best catcher in the league. Van Slyke was improving with the Cardinals as he had a .795 OPS in 1986, but you have to give something up to get something. You also have to factor in that Van Slyke was only a three time all-star because he had trouble staying on the field.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Whoman69 View Post
                            Yup, these things are easy to judge in hindsight. Pena was probably the best catcher in the league. Van Slyke was improving with the Cardinals as he had a .795 OPS in 1986, but you have to give something up to get something. You also have to factor in that Van Slyke was only a three time all-star because he had trouble staying on the field.
                            Right, Pena was hitting like .290-.300 almost every year for the lowly Pirates, and was a very fine catcher. I think he could also steal some bags too, but i would have to double check that.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
                              Right, Pena was hitting like .290-.300 almost every year for the lowly Pirates, and was a very fine catcher. I think he could also steal some bags too, but i would have to double check that.

                              Watching Pena catch was just painful. Not that he was bad, but it looked so uncomfortable.
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