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  • #46
    Originally posted by jtur88 View Post
    Not at all. Don't worry about il. The Cards have four of the 12 lowest ERAs in the NL -- now the have only three, two of them lower than Wainwright's, The Cards team ERA is a full run below any other team in MLB. The Cards won the WS in Wainwright's Tommy John year. They won the division the year they lost Darryl Kile.

    They have a GM who knows how to find a way to replace him.

    One thing you definitely have to consider is those 50 or so innings you're going to have to get out of somebody, since the fifth starter cannot be depended upon to go as deep as Wainwright into games. You simply can't afford to have Chaate's role taking up a roster spot -- even if he was ever getting anybody out.

    Here's a list of pitchers who will be free agents after 2015, any of whom can be traded for right now:
    Brett Anderson (28)
    Brandon Beachy (29) – club option
    Erik Bedard (36)
    Chad Billingsley (31)
    Clay Buchholz (31) – $13MM club option with a $245K buyout
    Mark Buehrle (37)
    A.J. Burnett (39)
    Trevor Cahill (28) – $13MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Chris Capuano (37)
    Jhoulys Chacin (28)
    Wei-Yin Chen (30)
    Bartolo Colon (43)
    Johnny Cueto (30)
    Ross Detwiler (30)
    R.A. Dickey (41) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Marco Estrada (32)
    Doug Fister (32)
    Gavin Floyd (33)
    Yovani Gallardo (30)
    Jaime Garcia (29) – $11.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Zack Greinke (32) – can opt out of remaining three years/$71MM
    Jeremy Guthrie (37) – $10MM mutual option with a $3.2MM buyout
    J.A. Happ (33)
    Aaron Harang (38)
    Dan Haren (35)
    Tim Hudson (40)
    Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
    Scott Kazmir (32)
    Kyle Kendrick (31)
    Ian Kennedy (31)
    John Lackey (37)
    Mat Latos (28)
    Mike Leake (28)
    Cliff Lee (37) – $27.5MM club/vesting option with a $12.5MM buyout
    Tim Lincecum (32)
    Kyle Lohse (37)
    Corey Luebke (31) – $7.5MM club option with a $1.75MM buyout
    Justin Masterson (31)
    Brandon Morrow (31)
    Bud Norris (31)
    Mike Pelfrey (32)
    David Price (30)
    Ricky Romero (31) – $13.1MM club option with a $600K buyout
    Jeff Samardzija (31)
    Alfredo Simon (35)
    Ryan Vogelsong (38)
    Jerome Williams (34)
    Chris Young (37)
    Jordan Zimmermann (30)
    The Cards pitching staff is very good. And I think they would still be favored to win the division without Wainwright. But the postseason is a different story.

    Also, don't fall too in love with the ERA. Regression is coming. Wacha and CMart esp. are putting up way unsustainable LOB% and BABIP numbers. Even though their ERA is 1st by a mile, their peripherals are more like 3rd-5th. They are very good...but they are not historically good.

    And look at Choates career getting out lefties. Look at his line last year getting out lefties. Fantastic. He has given up a few BABIP against lefties this year. Not really a big deal. He has pitched like 3 full innings.
    Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 04-26-2015, 02:05 PM.
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    • #47
      Knocked out of the playoffs by the Giants again. OSU beats the Ducks. The Patriots win again. The Blues do what the Blues do. The Puke Spewdevils win it all ( with the Heels on the verge of NCAA sanctions). I am sure the Spurs will find a way to knock out all of the young and interesting teams in the league. Waino gone. Mizzou Tigers as bad as ever in basketball. Cubs about a year away from probably being better than the Birds...

      Sports really suck right now. And I feel embarrassed that I am this pissed off about it all. Times like this, I wish I drank.

      In all seriousness, I think the Cards will be fine. Id sure feel better if I knew Garcia or Marco were healthy, however.
      Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 04-26-2015, 07:30 PM.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

        And look at Choates career getting out lefties. Look at his line last year getting out lefties. Fantastic. He has given up a few BABIP against lefties this year. Not really a big deal. He has pitched like 3 full innings.
        Choate has pitched exactly one inning. It has taken him seven tries to retire three batters faced. One tenth of the season has elapsed, so they have paid him $300,000, or $100,000 per batter retired, while he wastes a roster spot.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by jtur88 View Post
          Choate has pitched exactly one inning. It has taken him seven tries to retire three batters faced. One tenth of the season has elapsed, so they have paid him $300,000, or $100,000 per batter retired, while he wastes a roster spot.
          And Lynn had a horrific inning this game.

          Choate has gotten lefties out at a very high rate his whole career. Last year, lefties were awful against him. I don't see why that has changed based on one inning of struggling. The key is MM using him correctly.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
            Knocked out of the playoffs by the Giants again. OSU beats the Ducks. The Patriots win again. The Blues do what the Blues do. The Puke Spewdevils win it all ( with the Heels on the verge of NCAA sanctions). I am sure the Spurs will find a way to knock out all of the young and interesting teams in the league. Waino gone. Mizzou Tigers as bad as ever in basketball. Cubs about a year away from probably being better than the Birds...

            Sports really suck right now. And I feel embarrassed that I am this pissed off about it all. Times like this, I wish I drank.

            In all seriousness, I think the Cards will be fine. Id sure feel better if I knew Garcia or Marco were healthy, however.
            Eh, it can't be that bad?

            The Royals made the World Series by electrifying the baseball world with their exciting play. Well, except some curmudgeons here at Fever who never wanted to see them in the postseason. The German national team won the World Cup, and now I need a new jersey so I can sport that 4th star! Ausgezeichnet! Some basketball stuff happened I think, maybe hockey was played too. Some football was played around here somewhere, and my grandpa's Patriots won again -- I only watched the Commercial Bowl to see how they would do. I think the Hawkeyes won some games, maybe. They did in my mind. The Cyclones basketball team won some games and some other stuff, my cousin and her boys told me about it when they came down in March. Waino is out but Matt Carpenter is going to hit like a modern day Ty Cobb this year so it is all good. Mo has already calculated the cost of some reclamation project at stretch run time. Man, even my team made the playoffs last July, and I got to catch a knuckleball pitcher in Game 1 and we wrecked the big hitters when he came on!

            I don't know. Sports hasn't been all that bad. Just buy a German jersey with 4 stars and call yourself a champion for the next 3 years!
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
              Eh, it can't be that bad?

              The Royals made the World Series by electrifying the baseball world with their exciting play. Well, except some curmudgeons here at Fever who never wanted to see them in the postseason. The German national team won the World Cup, and now I need a new jersey so I can sport that 4th star! Ausgezeichnet! Some basketball stuff happened I think, maybe hockey was played too. Some football was played around here somewhere, and my grandpa's Patriots won again -- I only watched the Commercial Bowl to see how they would do. I think the Hawkeyes won some games, maybe. They did in my mind. The Cyclones basketball team won some games and some other stuff, my cousin and her boys told me about it when they came down in March. Waino is out but Matt Carpenter is going to hit like a modern day Ty Cobb this year so it is all good. Mo has already calculated the cost of some reclamation project at stretch run time. Man, even my team made the playoffs last July, and I got to catch a knuckleball pitcher in Game 1 and we wrecked the big hitters when he came on!

              I don't know. Sports hasn't been all that bad. Just buy a German jersey with 4 stars and call yourself a champion for the next 3 years!
              I don't really care about the Royals or soccer outside if the US in the Olympics or WC.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                I don't really care about the Royals or soccer outside if the US in the Olympics or WC.
                Well, that is too bad. My sports world in the past year has been pretty good.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
                  Well, that is too bad. My sports world in the past year has been pretty good.
                  Congratulations. I am glad for you.
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                  • #54
                    Add this depressing news to your list of bad sports year stuff:

                    Mlb.com reports Waino will be out 9-12 months with torn Achilles. A year. That is the worst case scenario of course, and would mean he would start the 2016 season late. Hopefully he can get back to work during next spring training and be healthy for next year. Hopefully.
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                    • #55
                      It sure has been nice beating up on the Phillies lately. Matt Carpenter is still crushing doubles. That kid is an amazing talent.
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                      • #56
                        Anybody have any idea what the Cards are going to do with their roster when Grichuk comes off the DL? They have only one reserve (Kozma) who can play middle infield, they almost have to save him on the bench like a backup catcher. Although Carpenter can be shifted to second and Reynolds at third.

                        Grichuk's return will leave them with five outfielders, not even counting Reynolds, and Pham is on the roster, too, on the DL. Their wet dream has always been to get rid of Jay, but he keeps forcing them to admit that he is a great asset. Bourjos has no trade value, but Grichuk does. Personally, I sure wish we'd kept Descalso, one of the best bench assets in MLB.

                        I'm a strong believer in having a bench player was was a natural catcher, but also played other positions, so you don't need to waste a roster spot on a single backup catcher (especially when another roster spot is also wasted by Choate). Considering Choate and Cruz, the Cards basically have a 23-man roster.

                        I was amazed by Matheny's decision to pull Villanueva after 3 innings in the game he relieved Cooney (no, nothing he does amazes me anymore). Dropping right into MM's lap, was a chance to see if Villanueva could go 6.2, and earn the starting spot vacated by Waino in the rotation. Instead, MM wasted four relievers cranking them through his revolving bullpen door, and Villanueva remains an unknown..
                        Last edited by jtur88; 05-02-2015, 08:53 AM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by jtur88 View Post
                          Anybody have any idea what the Cards are going to do with their roster when Grichuk comes off the DL? They have only one reserve (Kozma) who can play middle infield, they almost have to save him on the bench like a backup catcher. Although Carpenter can be shifted to second and Reynolds at third.

                          Grichuk's return will leave them with five outfielders, not even counting Reynolds, and Pham is on the roster, too, on the DL. Their wet dream has always been to get rid of Jay, but he keeps forcing them to admit that he is a great asset. Bourjos has no trade value, but Grichuk does. Personally, I sure wish we'd kept Descalso, one of the best bench assets in MLB.

                          I'm a strong believer in having a bench player was was a natural catcher, but also played other positions, so you don't need to waste a roster spot on a single backup catcher (especially when another roster spot is also wasted by Choate). Considering Choate and Cruz, the Cards basically have a 23-man roster.

                          I was amazed by Matheny's decision to pull Villanueva after 3 innings in the game he relieved Cooney (no, nothing he does amazes me anymore). Dropping right into MM's lap, was a chance to see if Villanueva could go 6.2, and earn the starting spot vacated by Waino in the rotation. Instead, MM wasted four relievers cranking them through his revolving bullpen door, and Villanueva remains an unknown..
                          I am sure Harris will go down. They won't send down Choate because of 3 innings. He has been lights-out vs. lefties his whole career. I don't see why anything changed from his career vs. lefties (.190/.272/.266) or last year vs. lefties (.093/.205/ .147/). Those are not jokes. Those are his real numbers vs. lefties. And those numbers are silly-good. Thankfully, Mo is too wise to dump a guy after giving up 2 runs in 3.1 innings. Hopefully MM isn't dumb enough to pitch him vs. righties. Now that Siegrest is back and pitching well, we have that lefty that can go that inning in which a RHB is in there.

                          As far as Cruz - there were plenty of cheap backup catcher available that defend as well as cruz and are not abysmal hitters. Not sure why Cruz is still there...but you have to have a backup catcher and there is nobody better in the system. He is certainly not a waste of a lineup spot, esp. with Yadi's age and injury risk.
                          Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 05-02-2015, 02:12 PM.
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                          • #58
                            Yesterday, when I checked the scores after getting home from my game, I didn't know if I was seeing double or not. Was that really two straight 2-1, 11-inning wins over the Pirates Friday and Saturday? Awesome!
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                            • #59
                              I was curious about what Cardinals fans think of minor leaguer Ty Kelly. He was acquired in a trade in the offseason. Though he is struggling mightily for Memphis now (.162 BA in 74 ABs), he has been an Organization All-Star four times in his career, owns a .383 OBP in 726 games (including a .389 mark 222 AAA games) and has shown some pop, hitting 15 dingers last year.

                              Are Cardinals fans watching him at all? Does he have a future with the big club or in the majors at all?

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                              • #60
                                Amazoing. Matheny has the winning run on first, and the pitcher due up, no position players left. He's got Lynn, among others, an experienced bunter, walking around spitting sunflower seeds. 27 successful sac bunts in MLB. No, MM say, Here's an idea -- instead, I'll bring in Maness, one of my last relievers, who has never bunted in his major or minor league career, and have him bunt., for the first time since high school, against major league pitching.
                                Last edited by jtur88; 05-03-2015, 03:54 PM.

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