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  • Cardinals hall of fame

    current inductees

    Jim Bottomley
    Ken Boyer
    Lou Brock
    Jack Buck
    August A. "Gussie" Busch, Jr.
    Dizzy Dean
    Jim Edmonds (2014 fan)
    Curt Flood (2015 Red Ribbon)
    Bob Forsch (2015 fan)
    Frank Frisch
    Bob Gibson
    Chick Hafey
    Jesse Haines
    Whitey Herzog
    Rogers Hornsby
    George Kissell (2015 team)
    Tony La Russa
    Marty Marion (2014 Red Ribbon)
    Willie McGee (2014 fan)
    Joe Medwick
    Johnny Mize
    Stan Musial
    Branch Rickey
    Red Schoendienst
    Mike Shannon (2014 team)
    Ted Simmons (2015 fan)
    Enos Slaughter
    Ozzie Smith
    Billy Southworth
    Bruce Sutter

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lo...of_Fame_Museum

    Who should go in there as the years go along?

  • #2
    Originally posted by JessePopHaines16 View Post
    current inductees

    Jim Bottomley
    Ken Boyer
    Lou Brock
    Jack Buck
    August A. "Gussie" Busch, Jr.
    Dizzy Dean
    Jim Edmonds (2014 fan)
    Curt Flood (2015 Red Ribbon)
    Bob Forsch (2015 fan)
    Frank Frisch
    Bob Gibson
    Chick Hafey
    Jesse Haines
    Whitey Herzog
    Rogers Hornsby
    George Kissell (2015 team)
    Tony La Russa
    Marty Marion (2014 Red Ribbon)
    Willie McGee (2014 fan)
    Joe Medwick
    Johnny Mize
    Stan Musial
    Branch Rickey
    Red Schoendienst
    Mike Shannon (2014 team)
    Ted Simmons (2015 fan)
    Enos Slaughter
    Ozzie Smith
    Billy Southworth
    Bruce Sutter

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lo...of_Fame_Museum

    Who should go in there as the years go along?
    I don't know, but if Bob Forsch makes it, I can't even imagine how many guys from the DeWalt era will make it. No offense to Forsch...

    Seriously, they aren't going to keep putting in 4 guys per year, are they? I mean we will be down to Ryan Ludwick in about a decade.

    Anyway, Pujols, Rolen, Carp, Waino, Holliday, and Yadi are easy selections. Mac depending on how people feel about you-know-what. Ray Lankford probably has a case.
    Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 08-17-2015, 08:27 PM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
      I don't know, but if Bob Forsch makes it, I can't even imagine how many guys from the DeWalt era will make it. No offense to Forsch...

      Seriously, they aren't going to keep putting in 4 guys per year, are they? I mean we will be down to Ryan Ludwick in about a decade.
      Who knows? I do think Pepper Martin deserves to go in.

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      • #4
        All the guys in the OP are in the Hall?
        "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." Dizzy Dean

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
          All the guys in the OP are in the Hall?
          In the Cardinals hall of fame? I believe so.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
            All the guys in the OP are in the Hall?
            The automatically stuck in the guys who were already in the HOF without any votes and then have put in the last 8 the past two years. At this rate, every Cardinal ever will be in the HOF by 2050. I wonder what Brandon Moss's plaque will look like
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
              The automatically stuck in the guys who were already in the HOF without any votes and then have put in the last 8 the past two years. At this rate, every Cardinal ever will be in the HOF by 2050. I wonder what Brandon Moss's plaque will look like
              Well, the franchise has been around for what, 130 or so years, so we are going to see quite a few candidates. I don't see anyone from those great Browns teams of the 1880s though, but maybe I missed them in the list. This is one of the few extremely storied and successful franchises in MLB history. I mean, not only have we been around a long time and had some nice players and some pennants, but we had all that and more World Series titles too than any team not called the Yankees. There will be a ridiculous amount of good candidates for this Hall. I doubt all of the old timers will make it in.

              Out of the new guys, I would hope Ray Lankford would get some love. That guy was outstanding during that long lean stretch we had. I agree Mark McGwire may have some issues, but I believe he goes over well with the Cardinals fans and organization, so he should get in. Not much else from the '90s besides Ozzie and Willie who are '80s holdovers. The 2000s should see Pujols, Molina, Edmonds, Carpenter, Wainwright, and Holliday at least. What do you think about Scott Rolen? Was he around long enough? I think so, and he was on 2 pennant winners and got a ring.

              As much as I love guys like Roger Maris, Larry Walker and John Tudor, I don't think they will get in. Just not enough time wearing that beautiful jersey. Pepper Martin was mentioned, and he should be in.
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              • #8
                Went to the game tonight and was my first time in ballpark village and it was pretty tight.

                I am not saying vote in every cardinal possible but just the ones who meant the most to the franchise and Pepper Martin was one of our great players of the 30s. .418 world series average with a 12 and 11 hit in the 31 and 34 series. Played his entire career with the Cards and went out with a 3rd title in 1944.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
                  Well, the franchise has been around for what, 130 or so years, so we are going to see quite a few candidates. I don't see anyone from those great Browns teams of the 1880s though, but maybe I missed them in the list. This is one of the few extremely storied and successful franchises in MLB history. I mean, not only have we been around a long time and had some nice players and some pennants, but we had all that and more World Series titles too than any team not called the Yankees. There will be a ridiculous amount of good candidates for this Hall. I doubt all of the old timers will make it in.

                  Out of the new guys, I would hope Ray Lankford would get some love. That guy was outstanding during that long lean stretch we had. I agree Mark McGwire may have some issues, but I believe he goes over well with the Cardinals fans and organization, so he should get in. Not much else from the '90s besides Ozzie and Willie who are '80s holdovers. The 2000s should see Pujols, Molina, Edmonds, Carpenter, Wainwright, and Holliday at least. What do you think about Scott Rolen? Was he around long enough? I think so, and he was on 2 pennant winners and got a ring.

                  As much as I love guys like Roger Maris, Larry Walker and John Tudor, I don't think they will get in. Just not enough time wearing that beautiful jersey. Pepper Martin was mentioned, and he should be in.
                  Yes for sure on Rolen. He was a dominating, HOF level player here for 5+ seasons. More than Mac, etc. packed a lot more value in his 5+ seasons than some of the guys already in did in much more time. Id be fine with Lankford. I just think we are going to end up with Isringhausens and Tony Penas and guys like that. Or guys like Cepeda or Clark or Torre who were here for a very, very short time. I mean, yes we are a storied franchise, but a HOF shouldn't be too overrepresented either.
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                  • #10
                    I think there is a good number of people who need to go into the hall before McGwire gets in. If he ever does.

                    I would vote Carlton, Martin, Ripper Collins, Terry Moore, Vince Coleman, Rolen, Carpenter, Waino off the top of my head ahead of McGwire.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                      Yes for sure on Rolen. He was a dominating, HOF level player here for 5+ seasons. More than Mac, etc. packed a lot more value in his 5+ seasons than some of the guys already in did in much more time. Id be fine with Lankford. I just think we are going to end up with Isringhausens and Tony Penas and guys like that. Or guys like Cepeda or Clark or Torre who were here for a very, very short time. I mean, yes we are a storied franchise, but a HOF shouldn't be too overrepresented either.
                      Yeah, it is the short timers that I have a hard time with. Jack Clark had some fine seasons on very good Cardinal teams, possibly the two best of the 1980s. However, he also spent a great deal of time on the DL each of those 3 seasons, more than half of the year in 1986. Joe Torre had his monster year of 1971 or whenever, and has the big time reputation as a great manager (obviously not in The Lou), so there could be an issue as well. Orlando Cepeda was a monstrously popular player and a face of that great 1967-68 team, so he could really pick up steam as well. I still don't feel too comfortable with the short term guys.

                      I like Rolen as well, with his great work at 3B and being in the heart of that all-time great order with Jimmy Edmonds and Albert Pujols. Helping to anchor 2 100 win teams, 2 NL pennant winners, and a World Series championship is enough for me. I wasn't sure how long while he was here that he was truly healthy. Amazing how fast the time has flown by. It still doesn't feel like those great teams of 2004-05 were already a decade ago!

                      With pitchers it is also tough, having had immensely great season performances from guys like Mort Cooper and John Tudor, among others, but again they were not around long and were not healthy all the time. I love those two, but couldn't put them in with guys who were with the team for long periods of time and productive. Has there been any love for Joaquin Andujar? He had a couple 20 win seasons, two NL pennant winners and a World Series ring. I could see him getting some love.
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                      • #12
                        Who are the locks or who would you like to see go in who truly deserve it?

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                        • #13
                          I just realized that Sam Breadon is not in the Cards HOF. He truly needs to go in. The first great owner of the club who was there for their first 6 world series titles.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JessePopHaines16 View Post
                            I think there is a good number of people who need to go into the hall before McGwire gets in. If he ever does.

                            I would vote Carlton, Martin, Ripper Collins, Terry Moore, Vince Coleman, Rolen, Carpenter, Waino off the top of my head ahead of McGwire.
                            Man, Carlton was only here for a few years and really was only great 1-2 of those seasons. And Coleman outside of the SB was not really a very good player. And he wasn't here super long. I think this thing needs to be limited to make it more meaningful. If Collins and Moore, why not Brecheen or Warneke or all ofmthe other good for short-time pitchers?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JessePopHaines16 View Post
                              Who are the locks or who would you like to see go in who truly deserve it?
                              Locks: Martin, a few 19th century guys (Caruthers, maybe Tip, etc.), and some modern guys (Rolen, Pujols, Carp, Waino, Yadi, Holliday).

                              Id have to give some serious thinking about Cooper, Brecheen, Warneke, Matt Morris, etc. I mean, we have to have some pitchers in there. Carlton wouldn't be a terrible choice.

                              Id tend to pass on the guys who were here for fewer than 4-5 years but were great (Torre, Cepeda, Clark, Beltran, etc.)
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