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  • #46
    Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
    Yep, Jimmy got screwed. I'm not surprised that he got a low total, but I am surprised that he couldn't even get 5%. That is ridiculous. Just like Ted Simmons, Lou Whitaker, Kenny Lofton and a slew of very deserving players -- all screwed on that first ballot. Oh well.
    Our hall of fame gives the HOFers better looking blazers anyway.

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    • #47
      No offense to the Cardinals but the nominees for this years class isn't all that impressive. If they aren't going to put Sam Breadon and Pepper Martin in as locks then put them on the ballot for the fans to vote at least.

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      • #48
        Congrats to Sam Breadon and Terry Moore on making the HOF. Pepper should make it the next year. The fan choices is slim pickens after Simmons last year.

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        • #49
          I wonder what their cutoff was on number of seasons with the team. Bobby Wallace was on the Cardinals three years in two stints, Jake Beckley for four, Jesse Burkett for three yet are not on the list. Roger Bresnahan was a player manager and on the team for four years. Miller Huggins was with the team for several years as a player before becoming the manager for five seasons. Pete Alexander was also with the team four years.

          Bill Doak and Slim Salee would be players pre-1920 who should be considered.

          Pretty soon they will have to start limiting it to how many get in each year.

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          • #50
            Harry Caray for sure. How is he not in now?
            Last edited by JR Hart; 04-18-2017, 07:39 AM.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
              Harry Caray for sure. How is he not in now?
              Pretty sure the fan voting HOF we are referencing (and subsequent museum) is players only to this point.

              Anyway, I don't think most St.Louis fans under the age of 50 even know Carey was a Cardinal announcer. He was here for 25 years, but I don't think his status of iconic figure was established il well after he was a Cubby announcer.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                Pretty sure the fan voting HOF we are referencing (and subsequent museum) is players only to this point.

                Anyway, I don't think most St.Louis fans under the age of 50 even know Carey was a Cardinal announcer. He was here for 25 years, but I don't think his status of iconic figure was established il well after he was a Cubby announcer.
                He was enormously popular during the Cardinals run in the 1960s. There was an article about him in Sports Illustrated in 1968. KMOX was huge back in the day. We got it in clear at night in Watertown SD, which is 710 miles from StL. Harry was the best, during his run with the Cardinals. IMO, it's a huge oversight and shows a lack of knowledge and appreciation for what he did for the Cardinals.

                Buck is in and Harry was Buck's mentor.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by JR Hart View Post
                  He was enormously popular during the Cardinals run in the 1960s. There was an article about him in Sports Illustrated in 1968. KMOX was huge back in the day. We got it in clear at night in Watertown SD, which is 710 miles from StL. Harry was the best, during his run with the Cardinals. IMO, it's a huge oversight and shows a lack of knowledge and appreciation for what he did for the Cardinals.

                  Buck is in and Harry was Buck's mentor.
                  I never said he wasn't great or important or wasn't beloved at the time. I said he 1. isn't all that well remembered today for being a Cardinal compared to his Cubs days. If you polled sports fans, I would bet 95% would identify him as a Cubs announcer. WGN and all. And I said 2. that the HOF we are talking about is players only at this point. Neither of those are debatable. Who will get in is about rules and current perception. Not what was understood to be true 50 years ago.

                  Let me correct myself. The original inductees included non-players and were automatic inductees if they were already in the HOF as a Cardinal. Since fans started voting - it has been players only. I am sure if non-players become eligible to be selected again, Carey will be voted in quite easily. The team also convenes occasionally to induct someone like Kissel who they know will not be remembered by fans. Now, they could have a special team induction if they feel like fans will not vote for Carey. And I am telling you - the voting body of on-line fans will not vote for Harry Carey, deserved or not. Even in St. Louis. people under 50 do not think of Carey as a Cardinal.


                  But honestly, with Willie McGee, Terry Moore, and Bob Forsch elected by fans, I have already lost interest in who is selected going forward.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                    I never said he wasn't great or important or wasn't beloved at the time. I said he 1. isn't all that well remembered today for being a Cardinal compared to his Cubs days. If you polled sports fans, I would bet 95% would identify him as a Cubs announcer. WGN and all. And I said 2. that the HOF we are talking about is players only at this point. Neither of those are debatable. Who will get in is about rules and current perception. Not what was understood to be true 50 years ago.

                    Let me correct myself. The original inductees included non-players and were automatic inductees if they were already in the HOF as a Cardinal. Since fans started voting - it has been players only. I am sure if non-players become eligible to be selected again, Carey will be voted in quite easily. The team also convenes occasionally to induct someone like Kissel who they know will not be remembered by fans. Now, they could have a special team induction if they feel like fans will not vote for Carey. And I am telling you - the voting body of on-line fans will not vote for Harry Carey, deserved or not. Even in St. Louis. people under 50 do not think of Carey as a Cardinal.


                    But honestly, with Willie McGee, Terry Moore, and Bob Forsch elected by fans, I have already lost interest in who is selected going forward.
                    I understand your point. Harry was so popular is the age of cable TV, that everyone associates him with the Cubs. But, it's too bad that huge slice of baseball history, Harrry and KMOX, has been forgotten.
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                    • #55
                      Bernie Miklasz thinks that Ray Lankford deserves to be in there.

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                      • #56
                        Pepper Martin, McCarver, and McGwire are all going in this year.

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                        • #57
                          Pepper Martin is a pretty interesting case. while he was really only an everyday player for only five years, he made the all-star team in 4 out of those 5 years. some of his years were only partial years. On the plus side he did hit .298 lifetime and finished his career with better than a hit per game (1227 hits in 1189 games.) He had about a 60%/40% split between the outfield (60%) and third base (40%) I guess if you're looking for a multi-position playing utiityman type for the Cards' HOF then he fills the bill. (Very much like Tony Taylor who is in the Phillies Wall Of FAME) .

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