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    Getting close to the start. Kinda a weird feeling coming into this season for me. It has been a long time since the Cardinals entered a season without at least one of the following being true: 1. being a heavy NL favorite, 2. following a championship season (07), or 3. featuring a megastar that people would still pay money to watch and flip-on their TVs even if the team wasn't great (McGwire and Pujols).

    1998-1999: McGwire Mania
    2000: Huge hype after all of the big trades/signings
    2001-2006: Huge playoff expectations each season and Pujols
    2007: Coming off of a WS and Pujols (though we knew the team wasn't going to be very good
    2008-2009: Pujols in his primiest prime and at least some playoff expectations
    2010-2015: Big preseason playoff exceptions each season

    This feels like kinda an uneventful season approaching. No megastars on the team at all. Clearly passed-up by several other teams in the NL (and maybe their own division).

    But who knows. Crazy things happen in baseball every year.

    My personal wishes for the club are:

    Staying competitive and at least fighting late for the Wild Card
    Health and a nice bounce-back from Wainwright
    Graceful aging from Holliday and that he won't embarrass himself out there.
    No major injuries to Wacha, Wong, Martinez, and Rosenthal.
    Alex Reyes staying out of trouble.
    It comes-out that the higher-ups in the organization really didn't have anything to do with the Correa incident.
    At least one of the Grichik/Piscotty/Pham trio ends up being a LEGIT player.

    Time will tell. Here's to an unpredictable 2016 season!
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  • #2
    I think they have a good Chance for a Wild Card. The Cubs should win the division but the Pirates probably regress too. I think one WC goes to the loser of LA/SF but I don't think the loser of Washington/Mets will be that good. One of them might have a good season but I think the other one wins like 86-89. Not sure about the dbacks but I think if the cards win 90-91 they get a WC.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by dominik View Post
      I think they have a good Chance for a Wild Card. The Cubs should win the division but the Pirates probably regress too. I think one WC goes to the loser of LA/SF but I don't think the loser of Washington/Mets will be that good. One of them might have a good season but I think the other one wins like 86-89. Not sure about the dbacks but I think if the cards win 90-91 they get a WC.
      Yeah - they are in a pool with about 4 other teams for the two spots. if I were ranking on pure talent and health, I'd probably put them about 6th right now. 87-88 wins is what I am thinking.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
        Yeah - they are in a pool with about 4 other teams for the two spots. if I were ranking on pure talent and health, I'd probably put them about 6th right now. 87-88 wins is what I am thinking.
        Who do you have ahead? Cubs, dodgers and giants?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by dominik View Post
          Who do you have ahead? Cubs, dodgers and giants?
          Mets, and Nats too. I think the Cards will be fighting it out with the Pirates and Nats for the last WC spot.
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          • #6
            It was snowing in Pittsburgh this morning.

            Unlike most of you, I have a certain optimism for '16. Basically the same team as last year, a few bench changes. Better backup for Molina. Pitching deep enough, even without Lynn.

            I'll miss Jay, but there is already good enough outfield. In my opinion, Jay is on a very short list of players with a chance to be the next .400 hitter, if he ever plays under a manager who can see that he hist lefties better than righties, and quits platooning him against righties only.
            Last edited by jtur88; 04-03-2016, 08:59 AM.

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            • #7
              Backup (supposed to be starting now) SS, backup catcher, set-up reliever, and 4th OF all injured since thread started on March 19th.

              This team just got really thin again.
              Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 04-03-2016, 02:01 PM.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by jtur88 View Post
                It was snowing in Pittsburgh this morning.

                Unlike most of you, I have a certain optimism for '16. Basically the same team as last year, a few bench changes. Better backup for Molina. Pitching deep enough, even without Lynn.

                I'll miss Jay, but there is already good enough outfield. In my opinion, Jay is on a very short list of players with a chance to be the next .400 hitter, if he ever plays under a manager who can see that he hist lefties better than righties, and quits platooning him against righties only.
                How is predicting a chance for a playoff birth pessimistic? Only a total homer of massive proportions could predict this team will be upper-echelon good, however.
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                • #9
                  High k's are fine with lots of walks and pop. Low pop is fine with great contact hitting and BABIP.

                  THis team's high Ks with low power is very concerning.

                  CMart, Waino, and Garcia had better be fantastic and healthy or this season could be more mediocre than I expected. I really think Wacha is damaged goods. The bullpen is still going to be tough.

                  Thankfully, they have 9 straight against very bad teams.
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                  • #10
                    well it was only 3 games and against a very good Team. many Teams had a bad start and still made the postseason. the pirates went 0-3 last year too, sometimes Players are cold in the first week.

                    however for the Cards to work a lot of guys Need to have good if not career years. of course that applies to every Team but the Chance mccutchen has a great year is a Little higher than the Chance grischuk having a great year. basically the Cards hope that 2-3 unproven Young players (grisch, piscotty) break out and a couple older guys (waino, yadi, holliday) maintain their Level another year.

                    that can work and has worked in the past but is a risk.
                    Last edited by dominik; 04-07-2016, 01:36 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dominik View Post
                      well it was only 3 games and against a very good Team. many Teams had a bad start and still made the postseason. the pirates went 0-3 last year too, sometimes Players are cold in the first week.

                      however for the Cards to work a lot of guys Need to have good if not career years. of course that applies to every Team but the Chance mccutchen has a great year is a Little higher than the Chance grischuk having a great year. basically the Cards hope that 2-3 unproven Young players (grisch, piscotty) break out and a couple older guys (waino, yadi, holliday) maintain their Level another year.

                      that can work and has worked in the past but is a risk.
                      Yeah - I am not panicking. But I do think people are going to end up pretty disapointed re: Grich and Piscotty.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                        Yeah - I am not panicking. But I do think people are going to end up pretty disapointed re: Grich and Piscotty.
                        yeah, I have seen many Cards fans writing that heyward is no loss at all because grichuk had a higher OPS+ than Heyward last year. I don't think grich and piscotty will be bad but just assuming they both repeat their 130 OPS+ of last year or even improve due to more experience is probably foolish. probably not enough sample size last year to make a definitive Statement. some media articles have banked grichuk for 30 bombs. that could happen but is probably not very likely.
                        Last edited by dominik; 04-08-2016, 03:23 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dominik View Post
                          yeah, I have seen many Cards fans writing that heyward is no loss at all because grichuk had a higher OPS+ than Heyward last year. I don't think grich and piscotty will be bad but just assuming they both repeat their 130 OPS+ of last year or even improve due to more experience is probably foolish. probably not enough sample size last year to make a definitive Statement. some media articles have banked grichuk for 30 bombs. that could happen but is probably not very likely.
                          His BABIP was unsustainable last year. His K rate is so high and OB% so low, that he will have to maintain his power like last year to even have a 110 OPS+. Guys with his profile (significantly low BB% and significanly high K%) tend to be very poor hitters. And Heyward is significantly better defensively and on the bases. And stays healthy. Heyward is so much >>>>>than Grich, it isn't even funny.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
                            His BABIP was unsustainable last year. His K rate is so high and OB% so low, that he will have to maintain his power like last year to even have a 110 OPS+. Guys with his profile (significantly low BB% and significanly high K%) tend to be very poor hitters. And Heyward is significantly better defensively and on the bases. And stays healthy. Heyward is so much >>>>>than Grich, it isn't even funny.
                            he will probably see a lot more balls this year because he had a 37% outside the Zone swing rate last year. he Needs to make pitchers throw more strikes but plate discipline is a tough Thing to learn.
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                            • #15
                              Does minor league reliever Justin Wright factor into the Cardinals future at all?

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