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    I've read that that charlie said something to the effct of {I've got a nice house here in brooklyn and a good job in the off season, but if they asked me to go, I would.} any body know anything else, quotes, Info, anything. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo

  • #2
    the BROW

    charlie doing some advertising.......
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    • #3
      the brow

      Autograph Analysis and Signing Habits of Brooklyn Dodger Batboy Charlie “The Brow” DiGiovanna

      James Spence, Jr. An authentic Brooklyn Dodger ball

      “Signing baseballs that were given to big shots and their kids was an irksome chore for the players. The balls sat around in their boxes for so long that if they had been tomatoes, they would have rotted. When, after a suitable interval, large, uninked gaps remained on the balls, DiGiovanna picked them one by one from their boxes and carefully forged the appropriate signatures. Many an aging Dodger fan now preserves in his rumpus room a baseball whose stitched cover is densely scribbled all over with the signatures of (Dodger Batboy)Charlie the Brow”.

      Frank Graham, Jr., in Farewell to Heroes (1981)

      Think Back. High School World History. Egyptian Hieroglyphics. Pop Quiz. What device made it possible for scholars to decipher this ancient writing? TICK-TICK-TICK-TIME’S UP! The Answer? THE ROSETTA STONE.

      What surfaced this week in my office is the hobby’s equivalent to the Rosetta Stone. A handwritten letter from 1952 of a former Dodger batboy to a fan. I’ve been waiting for this type of item to come out of the woodwork to hopefully solidify and prove the growing theory.

      Perhaps the most famous big league batboy of all time was Brooklyn Dodger Charlie “The Brow” DiGiovanna (b.1930). Charlie was certainly the envy of every teenager growing up in Brooklyn. He was the home team batboy that you’ve undoubtedly seen sitting on the field in all of those 1950’s team Dodger photos. His dark complexion and “uni-brow” are identifying traits that may remind you of his figure.

      He came into the organization as a favor to his Uncle Pete, a Brooklyn politician in the early 1940s. As a youngster, he started working as a clubhouse boy, turnstile checker, aide in the dressing room and then rose to the rank of visiting team batboy. In 1952, he moved over to the home team dugout vacated by veteran batboy Stan Strull. Later, he actually relocated with the club to Chavez Ravine in Los Angeles were O’Malley bought a house for him, his wife and three kids. He prematurely died of a heart attack at the age of 30 in 1961.

      “Chain-smoking Charlie” left a legacy to our hobby as a result of his daily mundane chores by accommodating each ballplayer’s laziness. The laborious task of signing hundreds of team baseballs was one of the duties that “The Brow” accepted and mastered. He came under a lot of heat from the Dodger’s front office to provide a required six dozen signed baseballs weekly. Unlike the typical adolescent batboys of his era, Charlie was mature and he possessed a talent in handwriting which would closely mimic the styles of his teammates. Duke Snider once revealed that Charlie could sign his name better than he could.

      DiGiovanna was a creature of habit like most of us. In an effort to avoid duplication, Charlie would sign the players names in sequence to avoid possible duplication. On most of the National League balls that he penned, check under the circular Spalding logo and you will generally find the signatures of Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, and Carl Erskine in that order. Flamboyant trademark letters, showing strong individual characteristics, using a name-by-name comparison, are evident in the k’s, d’s, e’s, and h’s.

      DiGiovanna had an upright, rounded style whose looping letters often tilted obtusely. Often when a new player joined the team, DiGiovanna would practically print his name with subtle breaks between the letters. Examples of this are found in the signatures of Dixie Howell, Rocky Bridges, Roger Craig, and Ed Roebuck.

      Now old, Charlie didn’t get his paws on every ball that left the clubhouse, but he still signed a large percentage nevertheless. At times, he would even “fill in the blanks” of partially signed balls that a portion of the players had already obliged themselves. Don’t think Charlie was an anomaly in the autograph world. This non-malicious, forgery practice occurred in the 1920s and remained prevalent into the 1980s. I’ve spoken to numerous batboys that have admitted to secretly penning the names on a regular basis.

      Longtime New York Yankee clubhouse attendant Pete Sheehy dutifully replicated the signatures of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, etc. over his 50 years affiliation with the club. Teams outside the New York area were not immune to this practice either. I often examine team signed baseballs from Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit, and Pittsburgh that have suffered the same fate.

      The “clubhouse” or “ghost signed” balls are not completely worthless. As vintage pieces of memorabilia, I regularly notice that they are still selling in auctions for hundreds of dollars despite being recognized as invalid autographs. Despite many of these Brooklyn baseballs being sprinkled around the hobby, the actual autograph of Charlie DiGiovanna is rare in itself. The pictured letter is the only known example in the collecting hobby world.

      One must keep in mind that these balls were signed to accommodate mostly fans, not collectors. Autograph collecting was not as popular or sophisticated and rarely was monetary value attributed to them prior to the 1970s. The recipient of one of these balls never questioned the legitimacy. Batboys like Charlie “The Brow” DiGiovanna were quietly performing their assigned duties.
      you can take the Dodgers out of Brooklyn, but you can't take the Brooklyn out of the DODGERS
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      • #4
        I understood that Charles was born on September 13, 1930, and died in December, 1958.

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        • #5
          I have also read in several books that o'malley no longer In need of charlie's uncles political connection. did not ask charlie to move with the team. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by penncentralpete View Post
            Autograph Analysis and Signing Habits of Brooklyn Dodger Batboy Charlie “The Brow” DiGiovanna

            James Spence, Jr. An authentic Brooklyn Dodger ball

            “Signing baseballs that were given to big shots and their kids was an irksome chore for the players. The balls sat around in their boxes for so long that if they had been tomatoes, they would have rotted. When, after a suitable interval, large, uninked gaps remained on the balls, DiGiovanna picked them one by one from their boxes and carefully forged the appropriate signatures. Many an aging Dodger fan now preserves in his rumpus room a baseball whose stitched cover is densely scribbled all over with the signatures of (Dodger Batboy)Charlie the Brow”.

            Frank Graham, Jr., in Farewell to Heroes (1981)

            Think Back. High School World History. Egyptian Hieroglyphics. Pop Quiz. What device made it possible for scholars to decipher this ancient writing? TICK-TICK-TICK-TIME’S UP! The Answer? THE ROSETTA STONE.

            What surfaced this week in my office is the hobby’s equivalent to the Rosetta Stone. A handwritten letter from 1952 of a former Dodger batboy to a fan. I’ve been waiting for this type of item to come out of the woodwork to hopefully solidify and prove the growing theory.

            Perhaps the most famous big league batboy of all time was Brooklyn Dodger Charlie “The Brow” DiGiovanna (b.1930). Charlie was certainly the envy of every teenager growing up in Brooklyn. He was the home team batboy that you’ve undoubtedly seen sitting on the field in all of those 1950’s team Dodger photos. His dark complexion and “uni-brow” are identifying traits that may remind you of his figure.

            He came into the organization as a favor to his Uncle Pete, a Brooklyn politician in the early 1940s. As a youngster, he started working as a clubhouse boy, turnstile checker, aide in the dressing room and then rose to the rank of visiting team batboy. In 1952, he moved over to the home team dugout vacated by veteran batboy Stan Strull. Later, he actually relocated with the club to Chavez Ravine in Los Angeles were O’Malley bought a house for him, his wife and three kids. He prematurely died of a heart attack at the age of 30 in 1961.

            “Chain-smoking Charlie” left a legacy to our hobby as a result of his daily mundane chores by accommodating each ballplayer’s laziness. The laborious task of signing hundreds of team baseballs was one of the duties that “The Brow” accepted and mastered. He came under a lot of heat from the Dodger’s front office to provide a required six dozen signed baseballs weekly. Unlike the typical adolescent batboys of his era, Charlie was mature and he possessed a talent in handwriting which would closely mimic the styles of his teammates. Duke Snider once revealed that Charlie could sign his name better than he could.

            DiGiovanna was a creature of habit like most of us. In an effort to avoid duplication, Charlie would sign the players names in sequence to avoid possible duplication. On most of the National League balls that he penned, check under the circular Spalding logo and you will generally find the signatures of Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, and Carl Erskine in that order. Flamboyant trademark letters, showing strong individual characteristics, using a name-by-name comparison, are evident in the k’s, d’s, e’s, and h’s.

            DiGiovanna had an upright, rounded style whose looping letters often tilted obtusely. Often when a new player joined the team, DiGiovanna would practically print his name with subtle breaks between the letters. Examples of this are found in the signatures of Dixie Howell, Rocky Bridges, Roger Craig, and Ed Roebuck.

            Now old, Charlie didn’t get his paws on every ball that left the clubhouse, but he still signed a large percentage nevertheless. At times, he would even “fill in the blanks” of partially signed balls that a portion of the players had already obliged themselves. Don’t think Charlie was an anomaly in the autograph world. This non-malicious, forgery practice occurred in the 1920s and remained prevalent into the 1980s. I’ve spoken to numerous batboys that have admitted to secretly penning the names on a regular basis.

            Longtime New York Yankee clubhouse attendant Pete Sheehy dutifully replicated the signatures of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, etc. over his 50 years affiliation with the club. Teams outside the New York area were not immune to this practice either. I often examine team signed baseballs from Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit, and Pittsburgh that have suffered the same fate.

            The “clubhouse” or “ghost signed” balls are not completely worthless. As vintage pieces of memorabilia, I regularly notice that they are still selling in auctions for hundreds of dollars despite being recognized as invalid autographs. Despite many of these Brooklyn baseballs being sprinkled around the hobby, the actual autograph of Charlie DiGiovanna is rare in itself. The pictured letter is the only known example in the collecting hobby world.

            One must keep in mind that these balls were signed to accommodate mostly fans, not collectors. Autograph collecting was not as popular or sophisticated and rarely was monetary value attributed to them prior to the 1970s. The recipient of one of these balls never questioned the legitimacy. Batboys like Charlie “The Brow” DiGiovanna were quietly performing their assigned duties.
            Frank Graham, Jr., in Farewell to Heroes had some of it right when it came to Charlie signing balls. It went like this ...

            After almost every game there would be a couple of dozen balls to be signed for the front office. Some players would sign all of them, some players would sign some of them and some players wouldn't sign any of them. It was Charlie's task to fill in the blanks.

            Bear in mind that Charlie didn't work his magic until the players had all gone and the balls were ready to be sent up to the front office. Therefore, the part about <"On most of the National League balls that he penned, check under the circular Spalding logo and you will generally find the signatures of Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, and Carl Erskine in that order"> is incorrect since it was quite possible that those players may have already signed some or all of them.

            To supplement his income, Charlie sold "Autographed" balls ($5-$10) separately with ALL signatures being done by him and those are the balls with Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, and Carl Erskine in that order.

            With that in mind, I challange anyone to identify any invididual signature on any team ball signed during Charlie's tenure (that does not have Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, and Carl Erskine in that order) as being signed by Charlie.

            As far as new players was concerned, since Charlie took great pride in his abilities, he would study the new players actual signature and wouldn't use it until he got it down pat ... particularly since he did it for the players at their request and with their permission.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by musial6 View Post
              I understood that Charles was born on September 13, 1930, and died in December, 1958.
              Charlie "The Brow" DiGiovanna, Brooklyn Dodger Batboy and my father, was born on Sept. 13, 1930 & died on Dec. 28, 1958. My name is Greg DiGiovanna, Charlie's eldest son. The following link will give you more detailed info about Charlie & our family.
              http://baseball-fever.com/showthread...64#post1078864

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dodger dynamo View Post
                I've read that that charlie said something to the effct of {I've got a nice house here in brooklyn and a good job in the off season, but if they asked me to go, I would.} any body know anything else, quotes, Info, anything. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo
                I am Charlie's eldest son, Greg, and since I was only 7-1/2 yrs old at the time, I don't know what my dad thought about the move, except to say Charlie was Dodger Blue, through & through and we did make the move to LA with the Dodgers and I am sure he never regretted it. Charlie loved his Dodgers!!!, until his dying breathe on this day, Dec. 28, 1958.

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